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I was today years old when I figured out conservatives hate the ATF because they shoot white people too
Conservatives have been hating on the BATFE for decades. They don't hate them because "they shoot white people too" they hate them because they are a bunch of thugs with badges who run around violently enforcing unpopular laws, many of which they create themselves.
It's why they refused to seat a permanent director for 16 years and continually starve them of money. There was a strong push during the Trump Presidency to abolish the BATFE and fold their duties into the FBI.
Conservatives ain't great but you're wrong about why they hate them.
What do you think "they shoot white people too" means? What you wrote here is exactly that. It's a bunch of thugs with badges who shoot (violently enforcing) conservatives because of laws conservatives wrote. 90% of them wouldn't give a single shit if the ATF was only shooting black people over the laws they created specifically to oppress black people. They hate that they are being targeted by their laws when those laws were intended to target others.
Federal Gun laws weren't "specifically created to oppress black people." Some State level ones were but the Federal ones apply to everybody and Conservatives have always hated them and the Agency that enforces them. The undeniable fact is that Ol' Whitey hated the ATF before BIPOC folks even knew that the 2nd Amendment applied to them.
This idea that literally everything from laws to the reactionaries who are against them is racially motivated is one of the dumbest fucking things to appear online in the past decade.
Get it straight, there is no struggle but the class struggle.
BIPOC here. Do I do that before or after I liquidate the useful idiots who got the brown shirt on for people-like-me-killing without questioning their billionaire masters?
Don't get it twisted yourself. You're not wrong in the nuance. But nuance is exactly what they took out back and shot first. Doesn't make the lies lethal.
I get your anger, as the stupid gets in the way of real conversations regarding race--that is, that it does not matter, class does.
By design dude. Yell out and disengage because of the "stupid" and you too become an unwitting catspaw in the class war.
Fuck the ATF. ACAB Fuck over reach that takes autonomy for anything other than protecting the autonomy of others.
Fuck the dragons but more than anything else, fuck the willingly complacent and the empathy pretender.
That's how the racist ones work, my man. The laws apply to "everybody", but somehow most of the enforcement is on black people. Black people aren't in prison disproportionately because the law says "black people carrying drugs is illegal".
Ahh. "No issues, but white issues."
As a lefty pro-2a, you nailed it. We gun owners don't hate the ATF because "white people get shot" we hate them because they're fucking thugs who create their own rules.
You basically described all cops. ACAB
Pretty much. What's the problem?
If you think I'm a Conservative and suddenly going to lash out because you said "ACAB" you are wrong.
I don’t know why you read my response as confrontational?
Proceeds to argue the exact same point the parent comment was making. Why have reading comprehension skills just fallen off a cliff amongst the general population here?
So you agree that conservatives hate the ATF because they're a personal threat.
Yes. The BATFE is a clear an present danger to every American and has been for a very long time.
I think you're just myopic, they hate them for all those reasons and hate CPS and the atf because they effect whites on roughly the same level as others.
It's level playing ground and their super upset about it, sure that ground may have a beautiful sheen of shit and muck but it's flat as fuck.
Preach. They unilaterally decided that a .22 rifle I bought, perfectly legally, like a few million of us, was now a "short barreled rifle" and a federal offense. That was my first taste of their bullshit.
They invited public comment, which resulted in much, "Uh. No. BS." And then did it anyway.
This wasn't like the EPA making a call to stop pollution. This was a call to make a wimpy gun a federal offense. Now we could have registered them, hell, even skipped the $200 tax stamp if done by $date.
And if any of you see no issue with registering guns, let me leave you with this: Trump might win.
Generally the ATF cannot be brought up without a conservative making a joke about them killing dogs which is in reference to the Ruby Ridge standoff where they entrapped neo Nazi Randy Weaver into selling sawed off shotguns. He missed his court date and when they went to arrest him, US marshals came across his son, the son's friend, and his dog while in the woods. The marshals claim the dog was coming toward them to attack them and shot it. After the friend shot and killed a marshal, the son ran away up the hill and the remaining marshal shot him in the back and killed him.
So the joke does not even make sense since it was the US Marshals who killed the dog and started the standoff.
Conservatives also tend to go on and on about how if victims of law enforcement violence would have just complied, they would be fine. They don't recognize their cognitive dissonance with Ruby Ridge though since had Randy simply complied and made his court date, the stand off would not have happened.
This is not to defend the actions of the ATF, the US marshals, or the FBI, BTW. The ATF did a terrible operation. The US Marshals escalated it when it did not need to be escalated, and the FBI shot Randy a second time when he was retreating but the bullet also killed his wife who was holding their 10 month old.
I don't think it's that deep in that particular, the ATF just likes shooting dogs, like all cops.
From the people I asked, they specifically references Ruby Ridge. I probably have asked a good dozen people whenever I have heard the reference.
Odd that they seem to sympathize about the dog being shot but not the wife or son.
Don't know who you're asking but it's from police and feds shooting dogs all the time. There are tons of videos online of cops just popping dogs for no fucking reason.
Generally it was conservatives and/or gun nuts on reddit. Not one of them mentioned law enforcement overall and would downvote me when I mentioned police shoot a fuckton of dogs. Conservatives joke about the ATF specifically doing that.
That's odd cause I'm on the gun subs on Reddit and minus the few FUDD dipshits who love daddy turnip and thin blue dicks, most of them are pretty "fuck the police" and "fedbois can suck it" types.
I think most of them would fall under the FUDD category.
They conducted a sting, there's a lot wrong with how it was handled but he never denied making unlawful weapons and to add to that he was convicted of doing it prior to ruby ridge.
Let's not whitewash either side of this fence please.
Check out * Long Shadow - Season 2: Rise of the American Far Right*
Pretty disturbing how clear the line is from the past to now.
fucksake. 😶
Wait wasn't his name Randy Quade or somethin