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How about you let people eat what they want to eat and you just worry about yourself.
Animals are generally killed significantly younger than their natural lifespans. The short lives they live are entirely in conditions that are comparable to history's worst concentration camps. You're literally living on the rotten flesh of traumatized children.
Have you ever stopped to wonder what they want?
well yeah but they taste bad if you let them get old
Taste is subjective, and it changes in response to what you eat. The vast majority of people are used to what are called hyper-palatable foods - foods that are scientifically formulated to be addictive. Every food that is not hyper-palatable tastes flavorless by comparison.
If you get used to eating real food - that is, real plants in their whole, generally intact forms - then hyper-palatable foods end up tasting disgustingly salty.
Point is, plants taste perfectly fine.
@MilitantVegan @unreasonabro
apparently people with tattoos do not taste perfectly fine
Point is, that’s your opinion.
You're missing the point. Why does your fleeting sensory pleasure justify the murder of innocent sentient beings? And why does it justify the healthcare burden, environmental harm, and pathogenic outbreaks that you impose on everyone?
Because it’s a freedom I have to eat what I want, regardless of how it makes you feel.
This is something that YOU need to deal with. Not me.
ROFL. Sounds a lot like a YOU problem.
You must have never had okra before. Or dulse. One is disgustingly bitter, one is disgustingly salty. Not all plants taste perfectly fine.
Okra did not taste disgustingly bitter to me (genetics play a large role in taste perception). And I used to put a small amount of dulse into all my meals because it is salty, a little goes a long way, and it's one of very few natural sources of iodine.
Sounds like a skill issue. The better you get at cooking plants, the better they taste. That and finding the right ones for you.
Sounds like you just like to be better than all of us as some kind of ascended plant eating freak.. you go right ahead and enjoy your fucking plants with no feelings.. I'm sure plants enjoy living too, weirdo. Is life more fun for you when we both insult each other? Is life more fun when you are acting like you have all of the answers and we're all wrong? Is it fun to police people's eating habits on planet earth? You're such a fucking weirdo. There is no skill issue, I've been a chef since I was 14 in restaurants across the world.. sounds just like you hate everybody and you have to argue to feel better
Maybe there'd be less issues if you could argue with the substance of the arguments I make, and not project your own arrogance. Whole-food plant-based cuisine requires learning a lot of unique skills, and unlearning bad habits. If all you're used to is relying on the crutch of loading your meals full of sugar, salt, and fat, then you're naturally not going to have any knowledge or experience in how to make meals that taste good and increase people's lifespans.
Maybe instead of letting your ego get in the way, you can take this as an opportunity to learn how to expand your culinary skills so you can at least know how to prepare something that heals instead of harms. Here's a few books to get started:
General: https://nutritionfacts.org/book/how-not-to-die-cookbook/
Weight loss: https://nutritionfacts.org/book/how-not-to-diet-cookbook/
For people who have heart disease: https://www.dresselstyn.com/site/books/prevent-reverse-cookbook/about-the-cookbook/
And for diabetes management: https://www.masteringdiabetes.org/book/
I tried to fucking talk to you but you're still lumping me into the fucking group of people who own factory farms and run the government and over Slaughter animals... I told you I don't fucking eat your stupid fucking animals because I'm fucking poor... stop fucking insulting people you stupid little shit. Ever taken to consideration that people have fucking eating disorders? And you're stupid eating plan does not help with somebody who has a fucking eating disorder? No you don't because nothing but your stupid fucking message is important to you... other people aren't important to you, animals aren't important to you, plants aren't important to you, only you are important to you.. people like you are fucking assholes and I don't give a fuck what you're saying because you don't give a fuck what I'm saying so fuck off.
I disagree with you but that is an informative graph. I knew egg laying chickens were killed before they were a year old but 5 months is wild.
that chart is all lies. none of those animals have a natural lifespan that long
Source?
none of them would live that long without human intervention. that's an artificial lifespan.
the vast majority of make dairy calves are brought to full weight before slaughter: 18-20 months
Everywhere I've looked says the same - cows can live 15-20 years and possibly even longer. That's significantly more life than 18-20 months.
cows can live 15 to 20 years if they have protection from predators, and weather, and disease, and access to enough nutritious food, clean water, and veterinary care.
their natural life span, being a domesticated animal, is usually about 18-20 months.
That's insane. There's nothing natural about being slaughtered against your will. Growing less profitable is not a natural cause of death. I don't know anything more disturbingly capitalist than to perceive intelligent living beings as commodities.
this assumes non-human animals have a will to live. this would require an understanding that they, themselves, might die. we have no proof of understanding personal mortality in non-human animals (though, if you have a study that shows otherwise, i would be very interested to see it). therefore, we have no reason to believe nonhuman animals have a will to live.
no, and it's also not the cause of death for any of the animals we eat or otherwise exploit.
intelligent is a relative term. but i can certainly show you something more disturbingly capitalist: exploiting people for profit.
that's ableist
Their user name is MilitantVegan.
Do you genuinely think they have ever, in their entire life, been capable of keeping their nose out of other peoples business?
I'm not even vegan by myself, but saying other people's business when it's not about things people do for themselves without harming anyone but killing animals is… really weird.
Yeah, that bullshit "i'm not a vegan, I'm just gonna say vegan things" act wont pass here.
Also, I love how you are trying to claim something that a significant portion of all animal life on the planet does is "weird".
Like, maybe thats a you problem, bro.
If you're familiar with trophic levels, you would know it's literally impossible for a majority of the planet's population to be carnivorous. The population levels of species in one trophic level are limited by the population size of what they eat. Primary producers and herbivores must always outnumber omnivores and carnivores.
And when you look at the full breadth of the harms caused by humans eating animals, it clearly is an abnormal practice. Just because something is popular, doesn't mean it's normal. Doing something every day that is completely contrary to our own natures, our own wellbeing, the wellbeing of all the other intelligent beings we share this planet with, and the planet itself, is grotesque and strange in the extreme.
See this is the thing I'm pissed off about though... we don't get to eat the animals that are murdered.. a good extreme majority of us cannot fucking afford the meat that is on our grocery shelves... we're not eating animals... we can't afford to eat animals... they're just slaughtering animals to throw them in grocery store dumpsters.. it's not an 'us, problem.. ......so why the fuck are you yelling at us, when you should be yelling at The giant factory Farms and the governments who allow people to overslaughter these animals, put them on a shelf in a store, let it sit and rot while no one affords it, and then throws it into a dumpster at the end of the week.. why aren't you yelling at them?
Seriously I'm fucking sick of it and I'm fucking hungry.. all I eat is God damn potatoes and fucking rice and fucking peanut butter and I hate your stupid vegan food I'm starving and I fucking hate beans. I just want a fucking steak but I'm not allowed to cuz I can't afford it and it makes me a total fucking asshole I guess, to want to eat food.
Quick reminder, you are having this rant in a thread about people who just want to torture animals....
B12 supplement and more tofu (lots of your favourite spices)
What kind of rice? Plant based foods can be significantly less expensive than animal products if you get them in their whole food forms. Brown rice might be a little more effort to cook but it's a lot more filling and nutritious. and in general whole grains are going go be a lot more filling than refined sources.
Leafy greens are known to slow metabolism, so if you can include them they will help you feel satiated for longer, and help your body use your nutrients more efficiently.
If you're able to order anything online or find a grocery store that carries them, soy curls and tvp are bean-based meat alternatives that are extremely easy to cook. Prices on those vary though. Nutritional yeast is also great to have because it not only loads your food full of protein, but also adds a delicious cheesy/savory flavor. And it might not be the healthiest choice, but a big bag of msg is probably the least expensive way to give all your meals a good savory kick.
And try not to give up on beans. Out of all foods, beans are correlated with the longest lifespans. Try all different kinds, including lentils which are generally easier to cook. Few foods are less expensive than beans, so it's worth learning to love them.
Bro.... I can't afford to eat meat.... do you think I can afford your weird alternatives? Stop trying to tell me how to eat.
No! You know what, it's a new day.. I've been bullied into being stressed out by people like you for far too long this is a new type of social media and I'm going to block you and I'm going to enjoy it and then you'll never have to exist to me ever again that's great goodbye
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Homo sapien is traditionally an omnivore. GTFO with your “normal” and “contrary” arguments.
No, not really. Any ability we have to digest animal products comes at a sharp cost to our health. The majority of human evolutionary history skews more strongly toward plant-dominant lifestyles.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FNIoKmMq6cs&pp=ygUhcGFsZW9udG9sb2dpc3QgZGVidW5rcyBwYWxlbyBkaWV0
You are an idiot if you think Homo Sapien is naturally a vegan. We are omnivores. Look it up, learn, and STFU.
Dude, I'm not even going to keep engaging with you. Gotta be the most low effort troll I've seen in a while.
Username checks out
If we're going by names then, well...
Oh, absolutely not. I just wanted people to see how they will respond to a reasonable request.
my moneys on calling you a murderer, lol
Or a ten paragraph copy pasta treatise on how I’m a brainwashed corpo robot that’s destroying the world by propagating capitalism every time I eat a cheeseburger.
Turns out, I got a chart and a stern lecture! We were both wrong!
and he said i was no different than the monkey rapist whose the star of the story.
Satire is dead when people like this exist as actual, genuine, serious reality.
Yep.
I bet the people who ran these animal torture rings feel the same way.