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A Georgia school board voted along party lines Thursday to fire a teacher after officials said she improperly read a book on gender fluidity to her fifth grade class.

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[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The notion of the slips as I've seen them implemented is as such:

In X grade we will have education on Y topic which has some measure of content that parents may find questionable for their children. If you object to this then please advise us in writing (through whatever means the school prefers) and we will have them placed in an alternative class dring that time.

If the parent rejects the class then it will be presumed they will attend the class the next year/semester, if it is rejected again at that time then there needs to be some intervention to have a discussion to identify a specific cause. That could include school counselers, social services or whomever else is required to ensure the kids get a comprehensive education in accordance with the established modern standards.

Parental interests should be noted, but not the exclusive dictation of what information is available to a kid. Those who look to restrict access to information are almost universally going to be doing so because they're afraid that their own version of things is going to be seen as wrong, usually for good reason. Ignorance is bred in isolation through unopposed repetition of opinions stated as facts.

Helping shape curriculum is distinct from the choice to engage with it at any given point and not mutually exclusive. Arguing for the exclusion of information is almost always bad, arguing for the inclusion of it is less often bad but needs to be backed by sound logic and science.

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm reading what you wrote and I disagree with a lot of it, but I feel like our disagreement runs deeper into something more fundamental. I'm just not sure what it is. To my logic, it's obvious that this kind of centralized influence on childhood development is a bad idea because of how easily it can fall into the wrong hands. The classic "But what about when the bad guys win an election?" comes to mind. And I don't know if that's just not a concern, or is it not even a consideration for you? To me it's all about the net-positive or net-negative. And to me, the system you propose has a net-negative impact on society.

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I assume that there will be some measure of eternal back and forth as one side or the other fights to have their side expressed, but that given ready access to information there is an inevitable tendancy for progressive ideals to become adopted as the norm.

Consider the major advances over the past 200 years in society, women's suffrage, civil rights, the generalized acceptance of LGBT rights, etc. Im the early 1900s it was the norm to say interracial couples where immoral, now to publically say so would have you in a virtual pillory. When I was young gay jokes where commonplace and to be gay was used as an insult, now I'm here arguing that free discussion of such as being good science and should be valid public education material. Short of extrordinary efforts at repression those kinds of advancements are not going to be reverted. The very fact that I even can have such a discussion with people across the globe at leisure helps ensure that.

There's a solid reason why urban centers tend to have a more liberal bend to them in that the common exposure to alternate ideas, particularly at a young age, lends itself to acceptance of those ideas on their merits.

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't disagree that progressive ideas tend to be accepted as time goes on and that the "left" tends to be the main driving force behind them. However I also don't think that the people that are on the left or right are inherently different. They believe different things and act on those beliefs, but underneath that there's a common biological limitation of being human with a human brain. And I don't think that we humans are as smart as we think. So, even the good side needs to have a limit on its power. Every government thinks they are the good guys. Because of that I fundamentally oppose creating systems where power is centralized in "the few".

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 3 points 1 year ago

Because of that I fundamentally oppose creating systems where power is centralized in "the few".

That's the crux of it though. Public education and the standards of it are by default driven by a consensus on truth and rational. What's perceived as truth can change over time as people learn amd society accepts new norms, but by the fact that these things are at least obstensibly deemed by the majority of credible bodies to be true, that by definition doesn't make it power centralized in the few. The outliers that reject the standards are the few in this case and are welcome to voice their opinions through whatever reasonable means they wish, but are not permitted to deny the existance of or silence the generally accepted norm.