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Yep, these people are fucking morons.
We don't get good support from this one guy, so we want to make it so the guy who promises to fuck you over gets elected.
More like if we burn you burn with us
Yeah, they're morons for refusing to vote for a guy killing their friends and families. Maybe you should work harder to move the Dems away from supporting genocide.
They're not voting for Trump either. They're exercising their democratic rights. Biden should earn their votes, not be entitled to it because one guy is less overt about doing genocide.
You have a gun with one bullet. Should you shoot the guy who says he's going to stab someone or shoot the guy who says he's going to blow up a daycare full of children? Hmm. Better exercise your moral highground and do nothing. That'll show'em!
What a nonsense imaginary situation you've made up to excuse your favored genocider-in-chief. If you ever wonder how the Holocaust could've been allowed to happened, just look at your own posts trying to justify genocide happening right now.
At what point will you be asking yourself why it is that you are being forced to make choices like that? If you normalize this, you are signing on to it.
The people walking away from Biden refuses to do so... and your only response is to smugly lecture them?
Yeah... Trump is going to be your next president. This whole "lesser evilism" bullshit the Dems have been peddling for years now was going to hit rock-bottom at one point or the other. Guess what... that time is now.
I get your point of view because the alternative is surely worse, but from their point of view, their people and for some their own families are the ones who are dying.
He just shit the bed so bad.
All he had to do was stay the fuck out of it and say I’m not trump and he would have won by a landslide.
Now we will probably get trump and we deserve it.
Yes I am part of that and no I don’t feel bad about it.
You guys decided you would rather have trump and support genocidal actions and said fuck you to us.
Then you beg for our support while calling us idiots.
Generic you, not natural_motions you
Do you not at all understand why this is a complex issue? Yes he could appease you and a lot of lemmy by denying Isreal aid but he'd upset as many if not more people by doing it, especially when things went real bad and his enemies start saying he hates Jews and backtracked on decades of promises, rolling pictures of dead Israelison the news 24/7
Politics isn't about everyone getting exactly what they want, it's about trying to balance impossible choices and push towards the direction that benefits the most.
Then I don’t want to hear people bitch at us for not getting in lockstep.
You guys decided that the pro genocidal action side is more important.
Stop begging us to work FOR you, when you won’t work WITH us
You've got a binary choice between someone who is trying to limit Israeli brutality but giving support and someone who literally cheered on the brutality, demanded more and offered greater support.
I'm not asking you to work for me, I'm pointing out the reality of the situation
I don’t believe he’s actually trying. I believe he is doing the bare minimum he can try and get elected and that is not good enough for me
Is the same attitude that I’ve gotten every mother fucking presidential election about how now they care but they never fucking do
Of course you choose to belive what suits you, he could go in bare handed and fix the whole thing in a weekend and you'd complain he looked too good doing it.
What is your magic wand solution?
I would bitch he could have done it sooner but it would at least stop my opinion of him going down further, the fact that he chose to do it so late would still hurt him, but at that point he could start rebuilding my opinion of him
Ha of course you would, you want him to be perfect and instant without any consideration for what's actually possible.
So, I say that I am perfectly open to my viewpoint changing and that is your response?
The only one that made him send weapons is him, the only one who can change that right now is him.
I may eventually forgive him what he has done, but I will not forget
You call it a complex issue but have decided that clearly the solution is to say "fuck the Muslims" because otherwise he'll lose the support of genocide-lovers.
It's not the Muslims it's hamas and they would love to kill all the Jews if they could, they try constantly with money from other extremist groups and despotic countries like Iran. If anyone is a genocide lover then its them, and most reasonable people don't want to see them get in a position where they can live out their dreams which is why they support the fight against them.
I'm sick of idiots pretending this is big bad monsters vs sweet innocents who are hard done by because they're Muslim - what is your plan for the hate filled religious zealots desperate to make the whole region even worse than Afghanistan? Just let them win? Just shrug when they complete their river to the sea genocide and focus their oppression on the Palestinian people because their lives are objectively worse but at least the jews are dead?
You don't care about the people you care about ideological purity and finding an excuse to hate
How many of the 30,000+ killed so far do you think are hamas?
It's not Biden - Israel being a holy cow is untouchable policy, not politics. Israel is immune from US politics - and people in the US who doesn't want to sign on to genocidal white supremacism have run straight into that wall (a wall that wasn't supposed to be in a supposedly "democratic" state) and don't really know what to do.
I don't envy you.
The true morons are biden and his supporters who think supporting genocide is more important than winning the election. Stop supporting genocide and you get their votes. Seems like a win-win, but I guess biden and his supporters think that's too much winning. Typical democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
it's not a kind of cut off one's nose to spite one's face fucking morons. If they don't do that, they'll be played around over and over again. If they'll do that, it will be a lesson not to trivialise their importance. When Trump is back it can be worse but now the sentiment around the world is changing, which can help to control Trump which which will deem him to be at the same level with Bibi which will leave him isolated, which is good. So, it's not moronic but a rather calculated risk.
Yeah sure, Trump will surely be controlled
Just like Franz von Papen ensured Hitler could be easily controlled once Hitler was in a position of power:
"In two months, we will have pushed Hitler so far into a corner, he squeaks!"
Not that kind of control. Much like the way Bibi is being controlled right now, ~~in which of now~~ in which as of now he would already have a full ground attack on Rafah if not because of the dwindle support from the world community. The 'Good' guy needs the support of world community to maintain its moral legitimacy; if not they will have to transform into being the bad guy - which is not the option for the US. The hypothetical Trump can choose that path but he will further be isolated and the US will no longer hold the reverent supremacy as before. This is never the favorable path in line with the long term geopolitical strategy of either the US or Israel.
Gottemmmm. That'll get them to vote for the person financing the deaths of their families for sure!
Moron.