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The software maker will use the Recommended section of the Start menu, which usually shows file recommendations, to suggest apps from the Microsoft Store.

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 216 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Well, of course. I mean it's not like you paid for a Microsoft Windows license when you bought your computer, so obviously they have to advertise to financially support it. If you're getting something for free, you're the product.

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Wait, I'm being told that when people buy computers with Windows installed, they are, in fact, paying for a Windows license, too.

So this is actually Microsoft trying to turn products they've already sold into continuous revenue streams at the cost of usability and customer happiness.

In other news, apropos of nothing in particular, Steam on Linux is working really well these days, with lots of AAA titles running just fine via Proton. Make of that what you will...

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Kernel level anticheat for a few games is the only real speedbump I'm aware of, and it's only on a couple of game franchises like CoD I think. I would love it a ton of people made the switch and it hurt those games' companies revenue noticeably enough that they look for a way to moderate cheating without just lazily requiring Windows in order to play online.

Linux is finally convenient enough to realistically steal swaths of customers from Microsoft, and it's at the same time that Windows 11 is pissing a ton of people off. We're in for some strange times.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 73 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Kernel-level anti-cheat" is just company talk for rootkit. I'll pass.

I doubt that it reliably stops DMA boards anyway.

[–] You999@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 months ago

I posted this in another thread but it doesn't, DMA boards are capable of spoofing other PCIE device IDs which was one of the few ways vanguard used to detect DMA boards. Realistically the only anti cheat that actually works are replay based community voted convictions such as counter strike's overwatch.

[–] AbsurdityAccelerator@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There are way too many games out there for me to care anymore. Once i build my new PC, its Linux only. If it doesn't run on Linux, I don't need to play it.

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

This is the way.

[–] Dagamant@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

I’m also looking forward to when game companies try to add kernel level anti cheat to Linux/s

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

Honestly, the big deal isnt Linux getting better (it has. Slowly.) But windows enshittifying so hard.

Love a windows feature you just can't let go for Linux? Better find a way to prevent system updates, or it could vanish overnight!

[–] ilmagico@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

that they look for a way to moderate cheating without just lazily requiring Windows in order to play online.

I would avoid those kernel level ~~malwares~~ anticheat anyways, whether they're for Windows or if they port them to Linux ("to run this game, please load this kernel module"... no thanks).

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Rainbow six siege and valorsnt are other examples

[–] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Generally People don't give a shit. Ive learned you gotta use the same tactics as windows and shove it in their face. My parents think they have been using windows for over a year now but I secretly installed Linux mint on their systems made it look like windows. They haven't even fucking noticed they only use a browser for emails and Facebook. When my friends ask me to help build their PC and bring a windows os I bring a Linux os and say its all I will install and troubleshoot

[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I had thoughts along these same lines the first time I fired up a Linux Mint VM last year. The most basic computer users would have their experience enhanced by being stuck with a system they “don’t know.” They can do all the same browser based activities on a system that’s probably more responsive and more stable.

[–] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't see it being any different then them using windows they were already stuck with a system they didn't know. And now their computer will last much longer as well

[–] Zink@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago

The point about longevity is a great one too. I mean what’s the best thing to do with a crappy old laptop? Install Linux and make it useful for something!

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

That's pretty valid. They can still defile their shit if they want.

[–] kernelle@0d.gs 9 points 6 months ago

Genuinely a great day for linux

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I wish this was true...

...but there's still a few technical issues that keep things from running smooth.

Also, VR.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

I mean, yeah, a few, but there are plenty with Windows too, and the overwhelming majority of games I've tried it with work fine.

[–] mat@linux.community 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I play VR on Linux, it works surprisingly well, especially via Wayland. There's an app called Envision that sets up basically everything you need for you. Unlike a few years ago, I had to do no fiddling, it just works.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] mat@linux.community 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I do too. Envision has an option to install "WiVRn" which I found worked way better than ALVR.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I can't build an Envision profile in Bazzite, several source code packages don't exist.

[–] Galaxy@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Which I have already tried - it don't Wayland, and I get legendary stuttering when moving about. No go.

[–] Galaxy@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Are you using Nvidia, if so that might be why I am running it just fine on an AMD gpu on wayland using Nobara

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Galaxy@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Hmm... no idea then, sorry mate

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So you bought proprietary windows hardware and youre upset it doesn't have good enough performance? Seems short sighted but okay.

[–] androogee@midwest.social 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You're the only one acting upset

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, this is anger. Thank you for interpreting my emotions for me. Empathy is your gift.

[–] androogee@midwest.social 0 points 6 months ago

Only you're allowed to do that, huh?

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I bought what was affordable on the used market. And VR stuff is almost entirely Windows exclusive, with only the Index having a native Linux compatibility via the recent SteamVR Linux port. While the Quest series (and a Pico, its Chinese competitor) run a special version of Android, they don't have the performance in standalone mode that a PC has. Besides, my library of VR games are all on the PC.

And before you say "you shold have Index", I will point out the very, very high cost and requirement for external tracking hardware, aka "the lighthouse", something I lack the space for.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe vr just isnt affordable yet? If its proprietary garbage, it's just not yours. Lock-in is bullshit, and freedom sometimes requires sacrifice-even of toys and treats.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

If you like the Steve? life IRL perhaps

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

We're not paying for the updates, though. I don't recall paying Microsoft for anything in ages, and I have a legit copy of windows 10 installed.

To most people, now that windows is mostly stable, there's no draw to upgrade when a new major version comes out. Why volunteer for new os growing pains when the last Gen works great? Even more so if you have to buy another license.