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[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 30 points 7 months ago (6 children)

I'm surprised it's not called the States' Rights War.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 48 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Because only confed apologists use that term, and to my knowledge there are no confed apologists in Iceland.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's almost 400,000 people on Iceland. I'd say there's probably at least one. Maybe even two.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

Let's not go overboard.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, like I said:

only confed apologists use that term

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, as well as every kid that trusts their teacher before having the ability to form their own opinion.

[–] folkrav@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sadly those kids were turned into confused apologists before they could decide if they wanted to or not

[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 7 months ago

Eerily similar to what happens with religions...

[–] dezmd@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The primary context of your link is very old history textbooks.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

This article from 2017 refers to current textbooks and teachings.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

In parts of the South it's been rebranded as the "War of Northern Aggression" 🙄

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Then they get all red in the face when you ask them who shot the first shots.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That would require them to know history

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They know, they choose to ignore it.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Some do. A whole lot don't.

[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

I'm sure there are some rednecks who call it that, but I'd be interested to know if there is a single, modern day public school text book that calls it that.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 7 months ago

"but muh heritage" mfrs when I practice my heritage (it's burning confederate flags and killing traitors):

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

States Rights to what, pray tell?

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

Don't even grant the premise. The State's Rights argument is entirely bullshit. The secessionists controlled the federal government and slavery was federal law. It was abolitionists in Wisconsin and Vermont that were freeing escaped slaves, and new territories wanted to vote to determine whether slavery would be law. The South opposed their right to do so. Lincoln had not threatened to free the slaves before the war, he just wasn't willing to enforce the federal Escaped Slaves act. That was all it took for the southern states to try to leave America.

But you don't have to take my word for it.

[A]n increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. . . .

The only time secessionists invoked a state's right to do anything was to secede.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It is, but not very often outside of the American south. (They prefer "The War of Northern Aggression" though.)

[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Any time you hear that phrase unironically, ask what war that is, and then go "oh you mean the Rebellion of Southern Cowards? That's the only way I've heard it phrased other than civil war"

I may not be a descendant of William Tecumseh Sherman, but I grew up in the same area, and maybe it's just something about the water or the geography but I really feel an urge for Southern BBQ and a brisk walk to the ocean when Southern Cowards start speaking up again.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

And yet despite that, I would say that the two best things from the South were invented by black people- the music, from blues to jazz to rock and roll and soul food. Not the best revenge, but still some good revenge. A hell of a lot more people listen to rock music than listen to music invented by white people.