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[–] Icalasari@fedia.io 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This really is going to come down to who can lose the most voters, isn't it?

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Hard to tell how much Biden will lose. He's definitely not liked but a lot of the "not going to vote because Palestinian genocide" is probably trolls (likely Russian/Chinese). Things would be worse for Israel and Ukraine under Trump and they know it. I'm more interested in whether Dems can be shifted further left to stop the genocide, help Ukraine more, and get some basic rights back.

Trumps' base is still loyal but I think many non-extremists are just fucking tired of him and his ilk. His base is also old and more Rs than Ds died by not vaccinating.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

but a lot of the "not going to vote because Palestinian genocide" is probably trolls (likely Russian/Chinese). Things would be worse for Israel and Ukraine under Trump and they know it.

What a load of crap. Opposing a genocide and the people providing them the means to do it makes you a Russian troll now in this bizarro timeline that we're in?

I'd love to hear your explanation for how things could possibly get worse for Palestinians. Are they going to start double murdering people?

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

More weapons and egging the IDF on, not giving even the aid they get now. No air drops, no "red line" for ground invasion and full eradication. Possible US military involvement. Not even verbal reprimands about hostage killing and war crimes. Strong pressure on other governments to support Israel "or else".

Needing to support Israel was one of the first things the house GOP used to prevent aid for Ukraine, requiring them to be tied together. It is already horrendous but Trump and the GOP would take making it worse a challenge.

Murder on both sides, less murder on one side more murder on the other side. When those are the options I'll pick less murder.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

More weapons and egging the IDF on, not giving even the aid they get now. No air drops, no "red line" for ground invasion and full eradication. Possible US military involvement. Not even verbal reprimands about hostage killing and war crimes. Strong pressure on other governments to support Israel "or else".

You may want to so some more reading as nearly all of this is already happening.

The GOP were being obstructionists over funding for Ukraine simply because they're contrarians and must oppose anything Democrats put forth. The GOP is also the party full of skinheads and antisemitic conspiracy theories. Do you think they really give a shit about Israel?

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

I would also point to the recent Republican bill that stops Biden from preventing or slowing weapon shipments to Israel something he had used to prevent a ground invasion.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Israel lobbies both sides and owns more of the GOP than they do Dems. Look at the votes, look at what they say, look at their funding. The GOP uses support for Israel to antisemitism the same way as saying " I have a black friend" is to racism. Most Dem voters no longer support what Israel is doing, as originally retaliation against Hamas made sense. As that turned from anti-hamas with some collateral damage into a genocide support by Dems has continued to reduce. Most GOP voters still support Israel (according to various polls). Pro-Israel dems have also been primaried in a number of races (e.g. against members of "the squad" who are against the genocide). The GOP continues to support Israel "getting on with it" and the "settlers". If it was just for show by the GOP it wouldn't have needed to be added to the final aid bill that passed. The GOP and conservative/bought Dems did similar things back when Obama was president to prevent support for Palestinians.

Republican House Speaker https://theintercept.com/2024/01/20/israel-aipac-house-mike-johnson/

Trump https://time.com/4267058/donald-trump-aipac-speech-transcript/

And since the GOP doesn't care about brown people there will be worse if Trump wins.

And then you'll also have a Ukrainian genocide at the same time as Trump withdraws and vetos any support going there. So double less murder better than more murder.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago

It’s not just Gaza, though. There’s a lot there and it was always going to come down to who loses the most votes.

It’s not going to be an easy election for Biden.