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[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It's such a bad faith comparison to make about trans people.
One's race oftentimes comes with a slew of cultural background, and misappropriation of that isn't cool.

Gender meanwhile is just a societal constrict built of the typical characteristics of the sexes - if you don't line up with the one given to you at birth, then there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to identify with what you do line up with.

[–] lung@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Nah, I'm not with you. Gender also comes with cultural background, and physical characteristics, very much like race. And yes, if you feel deeply aligned with black culture as a white born person, fuckin go for it. Besides, we are all listening to blues and rock n hip hop — all "black music" — so what's the problem? Am I only allowed to listen to Tchaikovsky if I'm Russian? The whole set of mental gymnastics can go fuck itself, all cultures and races influenced each other for all of history. Is anybody mad about Thai people opening cannabis dispensaries and wearing Cookies merch & baseball hats? No, go ahead and "appropriate" whatever you want from me

identify with what you do line up with

Or don't, I don't give a fuck, this doesn't really affect my life. Wanna get surgery to look like a goat with some neat horns? Sweet, good luck

Ok let's do the honest hard questions. Should mtf ppl be allowed to do all female sports? No, probably not, it's generally not fair. Should ftm be allowed to do all male sports? Sure. Should bathrooms just be all gender bathrooms? Yeah, probably fine, maybe add some panic buttons. Should people under 18 be allowed to get a sex change? Only if they parents sign off on it, they are the legal guardians. Maybe it'll feel like a mistake later, maybe not, but the family is in the best position to decide. Are microplasics fucking up hormones in pretty much all living things? EPA says yes, and that's a concern

[–] femtech@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] lung@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Ok well that's a paywall but I went and read the official guidelines on the website, which is a boring PDF report. My understanding: they talked to other athletes and "stakeholders" and agreed that they will handle it on a case by case / sport by sport basis. Anybody can compete in any gender Olympic sport until clear evidence is presented that shows that they have an unfair advantage. And I do mean anyone, they explain that gender is in the mind, and that a natural man who identifies as a woman can apply for a women's competition

I think that's a good result, better than mine, in the sense that various sports have more of less of a problem, and we don't really have all the data to know what's fair. But I still expect that many sports will disallow it if it becomes problematic. It seems like you'd want to track testosterone, but the q&a explains that it doesn't really work. They also do call out that cisgender men have such a "disproportionate advantage" compared to cisgender women, and so categories are required...

They've managed to tow a really careful balance here, between affirming trans ppl and also being ready to lay down bans in situations that arise

[–] PapaStevesy@midwest.social 4 points 5 months ago

Psst! Race is also a societal construct!