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The only thing I would disagree with in this take would be who are you to judge what is and isn't of sufficient redeeming value to override to state of the artist? I would argue that art by definition is subjective and as such making any objective arguments or claims to discredit an artwork simply due to its creator is therefore invalid.
Seems to me @gregorum is talking about Demoiselles d'Avignon's impact on art a a whole. It was a very influential painting.
Bush on the other hand is only notable because of who painted it. It's a common naive realism style.
I’m not judging anything. What I’m saying is that works must be judged for their redeeming value in toto against the actions the deeds of the artist. Ie, one must be judged in balance against the other, not simply one or the other in a vacuum.
I’m trying to express my standard for judgement, not making a judgement myself.
Hmm its an interesting take. I tend to take the approach of evaluating the frameworks individually and and comparing to other artworks based on each framework itself. Obviously the artist themselves are one framework for which you must evaluate but I think trying to compare that to other frames as apposed to other artist themselves is an exercise of the subjective.
The artist isn’t a framework. An artist creates a framework, from which they must eventually be separated (in your wording).
So, once an artist is prolific enough to establish (as you put it) a “framework”, then one can separate the judgement of the “framework” form the individual artist themselves.
Does that make sense?
Edit: if not, maybe I can clarify further
Any perspective is a framework I would consider the artist to be a perspective (framework) through which you can view said artwork. You are a framework I'm a framework an artist is a framework it inherently creates subjectivity.
I'm well aware its usually not considered a framework in its own right and often lumped in with contextual or maybe historical but when making a division between the frameworks I find it a useful division to make.