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So you're in favor of vibes-based solutions, rather than taking the practical approach of dismantling the aparthied state and giving everyone democratic control, got it.
No, I really wish you’d stop coming up with different straw man arguments in every comment.
The “practical approach” won’t work when you have two competing theocratic states. Dissolving Israel won’t make Hamas go away. Making Hamas go away won’t make Israel any less expansionist.
I just said I don’t know what a good solution would be, I just don’t see one that doesn’t inevitably devolve into violence. Again.
The solution is to dismantle Israel as a genocidal aparthied state and have a single, democratic state take its place where Palestinians and Israelis alike are simply equal citizens.
I suggest you look up the history of Israel and Palestine. A One State solution is the only viable long-term solution.
And the animosity between the two populations will just evaporate over night, right?
Nope, but it will over time.
Like I said, you really need to do more investigation on this issue. As it stands, you just "both sides" the issue.
It’s like you haven’t read a single word of what I’ve said.
“The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." (Article 15) - The Hamas Covenant
Did you know it’s possible to acknowledge multiple facts at a time? This kind of theocratically driven hatred doesn’t really go away, we’ve seen that repeated all throughout history
I've read every word you've said. I was being charitable.
The hatred Palestinians have for Israelis is largely due to the actual genocide being committed against them. Religious extremism is lowered via industrialization and building up of the productive forces, modernizing and improving education.
This we have seen repeated all throughout history.
Again, go do your reading.
Alright, let’s put on our thinking caps!
UN peacekeepers move in to quell the violence, provide humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians, and set up a safe zone surrounding Gaza to prevent the Israeli military from continuing further attacks.
What do you think happens next?
The same issues repeat themselves as long as Israel exists as an aparthied state and Palestinians the target of ethnic cleansing.
Israel must be abolished and a secular single state must replace it.
No, I’m specifically asking you- immediately after stopping the conflict by force, what happens?
Hamas is just like “aight bet peace out” ?
Zionist populations are like “oh ok that’s cool we’ll stop now”
How do you maintain military control until the tension subsides? How long will that be, generations? Who maintains the peace, the US?
What do you do? Deport the Jewish population? To where?
Do you fight Hamas? Do you ally with them?
Think through any part of what you’re saying, there’s almost 100 years of history here
Pretty simple, abolish Israel and replace Israel and Hamas with a secular, democratic and equal state.
Would you like to address any of the other questions above? Or is everyone going to just sing kumbaya?
The US has no intention of stopping genocide or aparthied, keeping a fascist ethno-state propped up by the US allows them to keep a tight leash on the Middle East.
The UN could go in and help establish a new state. It would happen gradually, with demilitarization of both Israel and Palestine. The IDF would have to be abolished first and foremost.