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Joe Biden is correct that violent crime is near a 50-year low

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't really matter when the media knows that the more it reports on lurid crime, the more people pay attention, meaning the more they can charge for advertising.

The consumer of commercial news is not the customer, they're the product.

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Mmm… well it does matter from the context that actual violence is down. When we’re talking about violent crimes.

It doesn’t matter when talking about this other problem, that the media is essentially a constitutionally protected capitalism and greed factory.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

It doesn't matter in terms of what people believe, how they vote and what policies are enacted since those are all based on fear.

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are you implying that the majority of people don’t look at facts and statistics?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Do you have any evidence or data to support this conclusion, or are you participating in the behavior?

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago

Plenty, take a look at anyone that votes for tRump.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do you seriously need evidence that most people don't research what they hear on the news?

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes. Because not everything that appears intuitive, is fact. This is how disinformation is spread. It is a vulnerability in the human psychology.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you were right and people researched things they heard on the news, disinformation wouldn't spread. And Biden wouldn't have to say that violent crime is historically low.

I mean I have no idea why you think he would bother saying it if most people researched this stuff.

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps to reiterate that he’s bringing value to the US for the upcoming election?

Perhaps to cover all the bases, for those that don’t look at fact/evidence (meaning not necessarily a majority of people not looking at fact)

I mean the possibilities are endless, i feel like you’re taking a pretty narrow view to this subject

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You have not explained how disinformation spreads if people research what they hear on the news.

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That wasn’t the topic of discussion. You implied that a majority of people don’t research their views without anything other than anecdotal evidence

You tried to pivot to this other topic, I did not follow it.

I can agree with “at least some people do not properly vet and research their views” but I cannot subscribe to “most”

Make sense?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I just looked back at our conversation. Can you please show, with context, where I implied such a thing?

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

https://infosec.pub/comment/9572046

I specifically mention this point and you make zero effort to correct or modify what you’re saying so I’m left to believe that it is at least partially aligned with what you’re saying.

Feel free to take the easy way out and argue pedantics - our conversation was pretty short so if you actually looked through the convo, I suspect you ignored this point or are purposefully playing on this point to push yourself out of the waters a la pedantic argument.

Think this conversation is spent now. Thanks.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

So the answer is no, I never implied such a thing. I did, however, suggest that people do not look at crime statistics.

And that is a fact.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/people-think-crime-rate-up-actually-down-rcna129585

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

But it does matter. It matters very much that they're voting and behaving based on things that are not actually real. It matters that Biden's telling the truth, and evidence supports him. Does it mean his message is going to resonate with voters? Probably not. But it goes to the heart of our current predicament to observe that the world that exists in people's heads doesn't resemble the one they actually live in. We are in a self-fulfilling doom loop.

If we grant that crime is down but that Biden should act like it isn't down because people think it's up, then we're venturing off into a very dark wilderness where nothing is true and facts no longer matter. That's a world where people like Trump thrive.