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Biden's Gaza plan 'not a good deal' but Israel accepts it, Netanyahu aide says (www.reuters.com)
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Netanyahu is under pressure to keep his coalition government intact. Two far-right partners have threatened to bolt in protest at any deal they deem to spare Hamas. A centrist partner, ex-general Benny Gantz, wants the deal considered. Hamas has provisionally welcomed the Biden initiative.

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

What centrists can’t wrap their mind around is that if we don’t fight existentially for Palestinians now than Gaza will be considered a successful prototype by rightwing fascist western parties/governments all over the world and we will see this kind of violence become the new world order.

Gaza isn't the prototype. In my mind that would be Xinjiang, and the "reeducation" of the Uighur community. The next example would be Ukraine (Crimea first, then Luhansk and Donetsk, and finally the whole country in 2022). Gaza is third at best.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Ukraine is a war, it is modern imperialism, an army invades a country and an another army fights to repel the invasion.

Gaza is a genocide.

Apples and oranges though both are horrendous.

If you think the Palestinian Genocide in Gaza is a war you need to unplug your brain from cable news because it is decaying your capacity to understand reality, slap yourself in the face, touch some grass, topple your world view to pieces and begin over again from the standpoint that human life, all human life, is precious and that the many are never responsible for the actions of the one.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ukraine is a war, it is modern imperialism, an army invades a country and an another army fights to repel the invasion.

Tell that to the people of Bucha, of Lyman, of Maruipol.

If you think the Palestinian Genocide in Gaza is a war you need to unplug your brain from cable news because it is decaying your capacity to understand reality, slap yourself in the face, touch some grass,

Those are YOUR words not mine. Keep your strawman to yourself.

and begin over again from the standpoint that human life, all human life, is precious and that the many are never responsible for the actions of the one.

No mention of Xinjiang? Or was that just a war to you? Which army was defending the Uyghur people?

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Tell that to the people of Bucha, of Lyman, of Maruipol.

Ok, not sure what this has to do with them but sure. If they are curious I will point out that this is not in fact a war, not even close.

….and stop trying to sidetrack this conversation, other genocides and atrocities existing has no bearing on my outrage over a genocide the US is directly enabling right now.

How dare you use whataboutism for genocides as if bringing up one makes another less awful, what a repulsive and cynical way to see the world.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Tell that to the people of Bucha, of Lyman, of Maruipol.

Ok, not sure what this has to do with them but sure. If they are curious I will point out that this is not in fact a war, not even close.

Tens of thousands of them are dead as victims of genocide. Actions that happened before October 8th 2023.

How dare you use whataboutism for genocides as if bringing up one makes another less awful, what a repulsive and cynical way to see the world.

Check your righteous indignation and your ADDITIONAL strawman at the door please.

You've got yourself so whipped up into a frenzy about Gaza you're blinding yourself to anything that isn't that. The discussion you put yourself into was whether Gaza was the FIRST or not. The only person that suggested that genocide wasn't happening FIRST was you when you said only Gaza was genocide.

EDIT: added the missing word FIRST to the second sentence

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The discussion you put yourself into was whether Gaza was the FIRST or not. The only person that suggested that genocide wasn’t happening was you when you said only Gaza was genocide.

..what? When did I say that?

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Right here:

Ukraine is a war, it is modern imperialism, an army invades a country and an another army fights to repel the invasion. Gaza is a genocide.

Do you need me to give you a link to your post?

EDIT: In my prior post I missed the word FIRST in the second sentence. Here's a correction of my sentence:

The discussion you put yourself into was whether Gaza was the FIRST or not. The only person that suggested that genocide wasn’t happening FIRST was you when you said only Gaza was genocide.