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[–] Beryl@lemmy.world 220 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

There's a typo in the title. If you go back to the original source (in french), they actually retain 79,5 % of their original efficiency, so even better than the article's title would have you believe.

[–] einkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 81 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I guess we can blame the French's confusing number system for that.

[–] Whitebrow@lemmy.world 55 points 5 months ago (3 children)

People seem to be angry at you for not knowing how the French count. My condolences. I found it funny tho. Have un upvote

[–] einkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 56 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Well, I DO know how the French count and compared to English it IS highly confusing. You can hardly convince me that saying "Four times twenty and ten" is as straight forward as saying "Nine tens".

And just to be clear: I'm not some Yankee or Brit with a superiority complex, no, I am German, and we have our own shitty version of this: Instead of moving along the digits from highest to lowest, as in "Four hundreds and two tens and nine", we do "Four hundred and nine and two tens".

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wow, it’s like US uses metric system for counting and y’all do “imperial counting”

[–] einkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 5 months ago
[–] Beryl@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It supposedly comes from originaly counting in base 20 ( a.k.a : vigesimal system) in some proto-european language. There are traces of it in breton, albanese, basque and danish for example. Even in english, there is a reminiscence of vigesimal, in the "score", see for example Lincoln's Gettysburg Address "Fourscore and seven years ago..." means 87 years ago.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago

But Basque isnt an Indo-European language its a Paleo-European isolate. Cultural mixing not with standing.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 5 months ago

And don't even get started with Danish.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

What the hell is wrong with y'all?

[–] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's less confusing if you think of 70 and 90 as separate words without trying to analyze what their constituting words mean.

But etymologically, sure, it makes no sense.

[–] Smc87@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The dude was saying people are angry at you because they don’t understand, not that you dont understand.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Instead of moving along the digits from highest to lowest, as in “Four hundreds and two tens and nine”, we do “Four hundred and nine and two tens”.

English is less consistent, going from nine-teen to twenty-one. German stays consistent with its lower two digits.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 8 points 5 months ago

From 11 to 19 is always kind of weird in many languages. In Italian you go from essentially saying "one-ten" "two-ten"..."six-ten" to "ten-seven" "ten-eight" "ten-nine". Then it goes in like in English. Why? No reason ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Soixante-quinze virgule neuf vs soixante-dix-neuf virgule cinq.

Easy peasy!

Edit: it wasn't easy peasy.

[–] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

That was close enough!

[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

I wish I could give fourtwentytennine upvotes to help

[–] Beryl@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

It supposedly comes from originaly counting in base 20 ( a.k.a : vigesimal system) in some proto-european language. There are traces of it in breton, albanese, basque and danish for example. Even in english, there is a reminiscence of vigesimal, in the "score", see for example Lincoln's Gettysburg Address which famously starts with : "Fourscore and seven years ago...", meaning 87 years ago.

[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

As a frenchman who always found quatre-vingt weird but never bothered to find out why, thanks :)

[–] Beryl@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Mais je t'en prie :)

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

In English is this why we say fifteen instead of tentyfive?

[–] Wiz@midwest.social 7 points 5 months ago

I'm four-twenties-ten-nine percent sure that French counting is not confusing

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No you can't, because the source has written it in the usual hindu-arabic numerals as 79,5 and not as "soixante-dix-neuf virgule cinq", you don't need to pronounce the numerals to copy them.

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

It's still a good joke!

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 5 points 5 months ago

Yes but is that the average panel, oraverage of still a working panels?

[–] UnityDevice@startrek.website 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Careful using the word efficiency there, as it has a different meaning when talking about solar panels - it indicates how much energy the panel can extract from the light hitting it. The best modern panels you can buy are below 25% efficient, and since these are from the 90s they were probably about half that when new.