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[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 82 points 6 months ago (3 children)

it's still unfathomable that trump was "allowed" (I know it was "legal", don't point that out) to pardon his literal partners-in-crime. He basically has already self-pardoned himself by proxy by allowing these traitors to walk free.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Ford pardoned Nixon.

Bush Jr pardoned Scooter Libby.

Governor Abbott pardoned a pedophile for shooting a black girl's white boyfriend

Why is this even remotely surprising?

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

the difference being that ford wasn't involved in Nixon's taping. etc. etc.

this is direct involvement, which makes it stink more.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

We messed up when we allowed Ford's pardon of Nixon before he was convicted. We should only allow pardons after the person was convicted. That created all kinds of paradoxes:

  • creating a blanket pardon "from any crime that we don't know yet about"
  • possible pocket pardon, where a president could pardon themselves secretly
  • hiring thugs on president benefit and giving pardon right before leaving office. They know they can do anything and will receive a blanket pardon. If president had to wait for conviction then there was no guarantee he would be there to pardon them. So it would make whole escapade more risky
  • total immunity which trump is arguing about would be even less likely if there was no blanket and pocket pardon and he had to wait until being convicted before being able to be pardoned
[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The only restrictions on presidential pardons are on convicted impeachment and the requirement that it must be a federal crime. Yes, Trump can even pardon himself from the federal documents, insurrection, and election fraud cases if he takes office again.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artII-S2-C1-3-1/ALDE_00013316/

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We should never have allowed a pardon before a conviction. What Ford did for Nixon created all kinds of paradoxes.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Carter did it with draft dodgers too, but I agree.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Well that balances the damage lol