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[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

safe effective nicotine consumption were generally supported by the public too and was being ingrained in the culture in movies and tv

now it is combustible cigarettes with alcohol being heavily promoted again as well in television and film

if the US does not stop voting in senile past retirement age religious right leaning presidents who view any alteration in the citizen's conscience it might not ever change or get better

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

safe effective nicotine consumption

What evidence do you have that there is such a thing?

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

the synthetic nicotine being produce is done with green chemistry meaning no heavy metals used in synthesis

with the nicotine being lab made no ground pollutants such as lead and other heavy metals are present just like fake vanilla extract which most seasoning coming from India with polluted soil

also less soil less environmental impact

the ingredients have gotten safer over time as well also leading to changes in other industries

hugely better product both health and environmental and all around

not to mention not have the ill effects of second hand smoke

my own lung capacity was around 80% and dropping during the years was consuming combustible nicotine and cannabis products but now is above 90% had my lungs checked by a doctor

lightyears healthier

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

None of that has to do with your claim, and it is also more claims instead of evidence.

Where's your evidence that there is a safe level of nicotine consumption?

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Nevermind this, see my reply to squid below. I was operating under the wrong view that nicotine by itself is not cancer causing.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Safer is not safe.

I agree, it's safer. But how can we know it's safe below a certain amount for lifelong vapers when there hasn't been enough time to do a long-term study?

Wouldn't (and I say this as a long-term cannabis vaporizer myself) putting anything into the lungs on a regular basis other than air be inherently unsafe long-term?

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Nothing is 100% safe. Which is why harm reduction is an important part of the conversation when discussing drug addiction.

Water is safer than tea. Tea safer than coffee. All three can in theory kill you if consumed in large enough quantities.

Anyway, I figured I would dig around more on vaping instead of just glancing at the top search result.

And, I take what I said back. Nicotine by itself causes cancer. Tobacco just makes it more likely.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9222281/

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with you on the "safer" thing at all, but OP said that it was "safe."

But this has become moot anyway based on your research.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, my bad for glancing at the top search result before I made my long-winded post above lol.

Hope you're well, Mr. Squid.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No better than I have been in over a year, but we're working on it. Thanks.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sorry to hear that. My mental health is finally on the mend. Giving myself permission to be myself for the first time in my life, really.

Hope things get better for you soon :)

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's great! Good luck to you!

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago
[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

As flying squid helped me see, safer doesn't mean safe.

Nicotine alone can cause cancer and while vaping is 'safer' than tobacco, in that it's less carcinogenic, it is still a carcinogen. And because of the ROA, vaping is actually more addictive than cigarettes.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9222281/