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This gay veteran spent 2 years in jail because he had sex. He can finally get a pardon.
(www.lgbtqnation.com)
this post was submitted on 28 Jun 2024
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close enough; but thanks for catching that
i need to like biden and i need some kind of justification for voting for him besides not being trump and him being complicit in an active genocide.
Trump's base are the cryptofascists who do not hide the fact that they are coming for the gays.
Maybe providence didn't see fit to give you the choice of saving all Palestinian lives, but it certainly seems to be giving you the choice to save your own.
holy hyperbole batman!!!
biden's past and future actions have and will fuck up my life several times before i die; meanwhile trump has unwittingly helped.
also biden's track record of supporting the status quo no matter what, especially when it comes to lgbt issues and human rights; proves that he would also willingly go along with whatever laws that those cryptofacists successfully sustain through congress and the supreme court. (sometimes there are signs that he may have grown a conscience, so i want to be clear: he won't like it, but he'll go along with it willingly).
Trump has helped your life as a member of the gay community?
And you are posting from .ml?
I'm curious, but on alert.
Big "as a gay black man" energy.
brown in this case
even a broken clock is right twice a day; but in trump's case it was only once. lol
can you be specific about what trump action was helpful to you??? Just for fairness biden has directly helped me with no surprise billing, banning con competes, many infrstructure repairs and improvements in my area that got money from the ombudsman bill, and this one is a bit less direct but rejoining the paris accord was huge for me. So anyway im curious of the trump actions that helped you specifically because from my seat its been squat.
trump's asshattery at creating trade wars backfired on american companies and that forced them to hire new people including me; that enabled me to move away from austin texas and i'll be thankful for that for the rest of my life.
um. thats a lot of dominoes between his action an your result.
As W.C. Fields said, "I never vote for anybody, I always vote against."
Not being Trump should be enough. Trump literally says he's going to be a dictator. Based on that alone, ignoring every other point about Trump, you should vote for Biden.
I'm genuinely scared Trump will win. I don't even live in USA and I'm scared of it happening. I could totally see Trump pulling out of NATO and then lives being lost because of it.
I'm scared too. But a lot can happen between now and November and I have to keep reminding myself of that.
that would probably be enough for me too if biden hadn't fucked my life 6 times so far; while trump has only accidentally helped.
I'm sorry, are you actually justifying voting for a dictator?
i'm expounding upon my difficulty in justifying my vote for biden; before the genocide i was going to hold my nose and do it and now i'm no longer sure i can even do that.
Because Trump won't continue to aid in that genocide despite already saying he would?
It's going to be either Trump or Biden. If you don't vote for Biden, you risk getting the dictator. That should be a very easy choice for you.
biden is actively enabling a genocide right now and has done something similar for several others in the last few decades as a senator; meanwhile trump has only fantasized about helping a genocide.
it would be an easier choice it he would just stop helping genociders.
Again, Trump will be no different on that front. That is simply a non-issue when it comes to which of them to vote for. And, also again, it's either going to be Trump or Biden.
Yeah but squid, Biden is a bad man!
also again: biden has enabled more genocides than than trump ever has.
You're still justifying voting for a dictator over a non-dictator. It should be a simple choice. Either you're for American fascism or against it. It doesn't matter what Biden has done. It matters whether or not you want a dictator.
american facism is already here; biden and trump are merely two different flavors of it.
What a ridiculous thing to say. Biden doesn't have a plan to put all the migrants into concentration camps or to suppress queer people or anything else in Project 2025's list of goals, which Trump will implement.
So either you are not aware of Project 2025 and how it will lead to another genocide, possibly more than one, or you only care about one genocide.
he doesn't need a plan; he's currently doubling down on trump's plan.
biden has advocated for this his entire career and has only made token gestures otherwise to get votes; hyperbolic arguments are moot when you've already survived them.
they don't have enough time to catch up to biden's level of enabling genocides before the next election. also most of the other genocides have already been committed so it makes sense to care about the active ones.
Sorry... most of the genocides have already been committed? Migrants have been rounded up and forcibly deported en masse? Trans people have been forced to go underground? Queer people have been erased from history?
That's what you don't mind happening apparently.
that biden enabled: yes
biden is doing this right now
biden has advocated doing this for decades and his token gestures have only served to give bigots legal protection for their bigotry.
that's why i don't want to see more by voting for a person with a decades long track record of doing so.
Biden is doing nothing of the sort and Biden is not doing that to queer people. You're just lying to provide cover for Trump now.
the immigration thing is literally in the news right now.
doing anything negative to queer people would make him lose votes with the democratic base, so he doesn't; just like he's done in the past.
i will not vote for trump
Sorry... you're arguing that doing nothing to hurt queer people because the base doesn't want him to is fascism now?
sexual liberation and identity has fallen in and out of favor in american hegemony before and it will happen again; go ahead and keep moving that goal post.
I don't have to move a goalpost between 'genocide' and 'not genocide.' All you're saying to me here is that the queer genocide candidate that will also support the Palestinian genocide is fine, but the one not participating in a genocide of queer people is bad.
I'm not supporting either candidate and there is no queer genocide in the United States nor will there be; speaking in hyperbole makes you seem unhinged and I want to trade ideas w someone who speaks in facts.
The genocide has already begun. And not by Biden.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020s_anti-LGBT_movement_in_the_United_States#Anti-trans_laws
I'm sure you're aware of those laws being passed.
Again, it's just not a genocide that seems to bother you.
Those laws all suck and they're along the same vein as the laws that Biden had voted for and supported in the past (ie doma, 10450, dadt).
The definition of genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular group with the aim of destroying that group; and nothing you have shared matches that description.
The definition of genocide is not that simple. If it were, you must think Palestinian genocide started in 2023. I hope you don't. That would also suggest that the Trail of Tears was not a genocide. I also hope you are not going to make that argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions
And you already said Biden won't do anything to oppress queer people because the base doesn't want him to. So you are saying that not committing genocide is the same as committing genocide while denying genocide. Excellent job. I'm not sure why you won't admit that queer genocide is just not that big a deal to you because that's what you keep dancing around.
i got so high earlier tonight that it felt like it was the first time for too brief of a moment.
i realized that the shit biden put me through sucked and that i wouldn't wish it on anyone and now i have an infinitesimally small chance of helping make sure that it doesn't happen to anyone else. plus it helps the progress made last a little bit longer this time around the world's historical political pendulum. it's not the right decision, but it's also not the wrong one.. the wrong one will recreate what i had to go through for others.
i think i need to get high more often; it would be a lot easier to do if sugar free and delicious edibles were a thing.
Trump.enabled Russia's action in Ukraine, which some would say aims to be genocide as well, and on a larger scale.
So it's a choice between genocide, or two genocides and fascism in the US. I know it's a shit choice, between bad and worse, but one of those two people is going to be elected. Personally I am going to vote against worse.
He invested hundreds of billions in green energy?
biden's the only one to invest in green energy afaik and then he turned around a effectively banned truly affordable electric vehicles for around $10k with 100% tariffs; among other things.
Interesting. Source?
I'm going to assume that you want a source in the tariffs and not the green initiatives.
it's literally a new topic in the news and takes less than 30 seconds on Google to find.
You're just a complete fucking idiot, aren't ya. Make sure that when you see facts, you double down on your dumbassness.
the fact is that he's enabling a genocide and you're clearly a psychopath for believing that's a dumbass issue.
"close enough" is what I was commenting on.