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Yeah fighting for your very existence is vile. Tell me another one.
This may come as a surprise, but Israel can continue to exist without killing 1 out of every 100 Palestinians in less than a year.
Except for the reality that other 99 will continue calling for the eradication of Israel and it's peoples. This is an existential fight for both sides. Only your side is losing which is what all these pleas for terrorist sympathizers are really about.
When it is no longer a 'just cause' to want Israel gone then you might have a leg to stand on. Until then stop squawking about chickens coming home to roost.
Remember when Fatah recognized Israel's right to existence as part of a pathway to a two-state solution, and then Israel funded Hamas to undermine Fatah so Israel wouldn't have to cooperate with Fatah?
Good times.
Might be that the reason it remains a 'just cause' amongst Palestinians to want Israel gone is the fact that Israel continuously insists on making this into an existential struggle.
No, they continually treat the situation as the existential struggle it has always been.
So this was just a fig leaf, and you don't actually care to stop genocide even when the other party agrees to recognize Israel's right to exist, good to know.
Oh I. absolutely care to stop genocide. I just understand Israel getting its hands dirty doing so.
wut??
huh?
All of that to convince no one that Israel is committing no wrongdoing
I never said Israel is perfect. Just this relentless myopic support for terrorist sympathizers is not going to work. Both sides can suck it tbh. The whole thing is a tragedy. But I see right through this "genocide isn't cool when my side isn't the one doing it". You want actual earned sympathy for anyone involved in the Israel-Palestine fiasco? Surrender. Release the hostages. Rescind and prohibit any and all related fatwas/jihads. Have the UN step in and force a 2 state solution that both sides hate but accept, and cut the random acts of terrorism BS out permanently. Sit the F down and settle this BS peacefully.
But they won't. This shit show will continue on until one side or the other loses completely and I got news for you unless something radically changes it doesn't look like it is going to be Israel.
I guess I just find it real interesting the amount of doiblethink it takes to continously push that we are "terrorist sympathizers". Or maybe I misunderstand and you're saying that Palestinians are terrorist sympathizers because seeing you're whole family erradicated and wanting revenge against those who did it is terrorism. I definitley don't support Hamas, and if it is the case that wanting revenge for dead innocents is terrorism, the the IDF are a bunch of brutal hypocrite terrorists that are being funded by the US. Also, it's kind of hard to see through "genocide" when the Lancet is putting new estimates at 8% of the population dead. I really don't think "earning" your sympathy or the sympathy of anyone that thinks like you is worth much.
It's all right there in your own statement. They shouldn't want revenge. They should want justice. ICC should absolutely get involved where crimes against humanity are concerned. Their desire for revenge takes out 'innocents' on the Israeli side and the circle of hate continues.
And as I've already said. Both sides want the complete removal of the other. Statistics only show what we all agree on: Israel is more capable of effecting their threat. So not only are both sides morally in the wrong, Hamas' is also foolish for begging to be pooped on in the first place.
And 'earning mine et al' sympathy is apparently worth something because the news constantly appeals to it.
We aren't talking about not killing Hamas though. We are talking about Palestinian civilians. You keep on sidestepping that. All comments I've seen you leave are you pretending to be this "both sides suck" person, but making no distinguishment between civilian and combatant with respect to Hamas and Palestine. You talk about Israel being justified in "getting its hands dirty to stop genocide". You generalize Palestinian civilians as terrorists for a sentiment that Israeli civilians have confessed to feeling themselves.
The ask has been, and always will be stop killing civilians, but there are no "civilians" on one side of the conflict to you, and that is why your sympathy isn't worth it. I must have missed the direct address to "Burstar's sympathy" in the article.
You just said they want revenge. So you want to say they can get revenge but still hide behind a civilian label. Nice try.
So thought-crime? They can't "hide" behind a civilian label because they felt angry about the deaths of their families? How many, realistically, are going to act on it? Because I specifically said that they want it, not that they are going to pursue it.
And fuck it, let's add to the fact that many are ACTIVELY trying to get out, and even of those, not many actually have the means or are too afraid of being killed whilst fleeing. Is that the actions of a so-called combatant?
You're arguing my point. Both sides KNOW the other wants to end their existence and everyone on both sides is doing as much as they are willing to that end. For some it is paying their taxes. Others, sending their children to a school they know harbours Hamas weapons. Some spit and throw rocks at soldiers and some pick up an AK. Israel has stopped hesitating when it comes to the 2nd and 3rd category and stopped caring about the first and frankly I don't blame them.
You know Hamas is intentionally hiding amongst the civilians to garner sympathy and you're supporting that strategy by falling for it instead of decrying that warcrime.
You don't blame the IDF. So much for the "both sides suck" facade. And I don't see how you yourself can keep arguing about Hamas warcrimes when, as you've said, civilians are supporting the cause. That would mean they are fair game under your views. You can't have a "both sides suck" opinion when you've made notes that one side should clearly be justified.
blame them... In that regard. Things like tying prisoners to the roof of vehicles I don't give a pass to.
The Nazis fought for their very existence too. I’m not shedding a tear over the loss.
So you agree with me then.
So you agree Israel are Nazis?
No about not shedding tears for people that support evil.
Who are those people?
Name starts with Bur and ends with star.
Who indeed.
A couple thousand Hamas terrorists with improvised rockets, rocks, and whatever little they manage to smuggle across some of the most tightly controlled borders in the world are NOT an existential threat to the country that controls those borders and have one of the most powerful and advanced militaries in the history of humanity, with millions of actual and potential recruits.
They're fighting NOT to protect their own existence, but to kill or displace all Palestinians. The vast majority of whom are innocent civilians, of course.
No, they are not. They self identify as martyrs. They are a part of, or at least support the cause. Hamas fills a school with weapons and ammo. They keep sending their children to it but say an extra prayer before and after they leave and return.
If only it was 'just a few thousand Hamas terrorists'...
That's just not true. Over half of the population wasn't even ALIVE the last time there was an alternative to vote for, much less old enough to vote.
More IDF Hasbara with no root in reality
WTF are you blathering about??
It is. Against a military with vastly superior technology and more soldiers than there are people in Gaza and the West Bank combined.
It's not a war. It's a genocide during which the occupation forces of the fascist apartheid regime is committing crimes against humanity on a daily basis.
Yes, it is. Every newsclip I've seen the 'civilians' use the word martyr in their statement. Face it. They aren't people in the Trade Centre just living their lives. They tacitly or overtly support the cause and so are not mere innocent bystanders. As for age? Indoctrination starts at birth and you know it so knock it off with the disingenuous arguments.
No. Stop lying, please.
Sounds like you need better sources.
That's a sinister lie that the war criminals in the Knesset are using to justify slaughtering innocents, including children.
It's no different than American bigots saying all Muslims and Arabs are terrorists.
So what you're saying is that it's completely fine to slaughter all the children? You're totally fine with the mass slaughter of children?
lol I can't even. Doubling down on the disingenuous arguments. Toodles dude. Reality is Gaza is going to be converted to a parking lot if people like you continue to refuse facing facts and conceding this isn't a winnable fight. Keep on clutching your pearls and saying 'no u' until the martyr supply is completely exhausted. Some consolation 'but we were right' will be at that point eh?
Whatever you say, cheerleader of countless atrocities. Have the day you deserve.
Imagine the Native Americans are fighting back against a genocide and you're taking the side of the colonizers. That's what you look like right now. It's incredible that people get themselves into the mindset to support a genocide, but I suppose it must be possible people like you exist or the Nazis wouldn't have gotten as far as they did.
By shielding themselves with the wives and children... After invading first, slaughtering innocents and taking hostages they continue to refuse to release. It isn't a genocide. It's the tragic consequence of using civilians as shields. Really want to stop the killing? Call on Hamas to surrender or at least stop cowering under schools. But we both know that isn't your intention.
Do you really think they take literal human shields? That's not what they mean, I don't think even the IDF thinks that. They mean they live in the same places as civilians, which or course they're going to, they're a guerilla terrorist fighting force stuck in an extremely dense area due to Israel land encroachment. Btw, Israel has been known to do that and there have been videos lately showing that.
They also didn't attack first. Zionists came in and steadily took land back in the beginning, when it was just British Mandate of Palestine. It was peaceful for a long time until they had the numbers to enact violence. Meanwhile, the Palestinians were promised a bunch of territory by the British for fighting against the Ottoman Empire, who then reneged on the deal to give Zionists a state. They then fought back and lost even more land, and have been losing more land since then. Hamas didn't form until after decades of Israeli terrorists and paramilitary forces had killed lots of innocent Palestinians and took their land. They are a reaction to the killing by Israel. This didn't all start on October 7th. The current ruling party Likud is descended from some of these paramilitary armies.
Even back in the beginning Jewish luminaries like Albert Einstein and Hannah Arendt thought Israel was a bad idea, sometimes once they went to visit, once they realized what it cost to the local population and how it would put them in an eternal military struggle to genocide the local population like was done to them.
Nope, they absolutely attacked first. Rationalize it all you want but fact is Palestine et al chose violence FIRST.
Second, Hamas absolutely uses human shields. Storing weapons, equipment and themselves under schools and the like. Thats what you don't get. They have tunnels everywhere and can come out wherever and whenever they want so all this BS about Israel intentionally targetting civilians is a load when a declared safezone gets ambushed for the millionth time by terrorist cockroaches coming out of the woodwork specifically because it is 'safe'.
Hamas picked the fight and then hides amongst the populace. Clearly Israel is to blame there.