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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 224 points 1 month ago (68 children)

The exchange:

Mehdi Hasan: We looked at your social media, and you haven't done that many posts specifically calling out Russian attacks on civilian areas. You haven't called Vladimir Putin a war criminal, but you have called Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal.

Jill Stein: No, actually, we did. Yeah. In my very first remarks about the Ukraine war, we condemned —

Mehdi Hasan: Vladimir Putin is a war criminal?

Jill Stein: Yes, we did condemn —

Mehdi Hasan: And Bashar al-Assad is a war criminal?

Jill Stein: Yes, in so many words, yes, we have said as much.

Mehdi Hasan: So you called Netanyahu one, which I think he is.

Jill Stein: Oh, absolutely.

Mehdi Hasan: Is Putin a war criminal?

Jill Stein: So what we said about Putin was that his invasion of Ukraine is a criminal and murderous war.

Mehdi Hasan: And he's a war criminal who should be on trial?

Jill Stein: Well, by implication.

Mehdi Hasan: You're struggling here to say something very simple. This is why people have their doubts about you with Russia. Why is Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal but not Vladimir Putin?

Jill Stein: Well, as John F. Kennedy said, "We must not negotiate out of fear and we must not fear to negotiate." So if you want to be an effective world leader, you don't start by name calling and hurling out that.

Mehdi Hasan: So how will President Stein negotiate with Israel then, if you've called Netanyahu a war criminal?

Jill Stein: Well, because he very clearly is a war criminal.

Mehdi Hasan: Oh, so Putin clearly isn't a war criminal?

Jill Stein: Well, we don't have a decision, put it this way, by the International Criminal Court.

Mehdi Hasan: Yes, we do. Yes, actually, actually, you're wrong. There's an arrest warrant for Putin and there isn't an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, so why is Putin not a war criminal, but Netanyahu is?

Jill Stein: Yeah. Well, let me say this. We are sponsoring that war. We are sponsoring Netanyahu. He is our dog in this fight. That is why we have a responsibility to pull him back.

Mehdi Hasan: No disagreement from me at all. It still doesn't answer my question. Whether we sponsor them or not is irrelevant.

Jill Stein: With Russia it's far more complicated.

Mehdi Hasan: Either you're a war criminal or you're not. Is Vladimir Putin a war criminal?

Jill Stein: In so many words, yes he is.

Mehdi Hasan: I don't know "what so many words" — Butch [Ware, Stein's running mate], is Vladimir Putin a war criminal?

Jill Stein: Let me say that whatever you think he is —

Mehdi Hasan: It's not about what I think. I'm asking you. You're running for President.

Jill Stein: If you want to pull him back, if you are a world leader, you don't begin your conversation by calling someone a war criminal unless you have a…

Mehdi Hasan: So why have you called Biden and Netanyahu war criminals?

Jill Stein: Because we have a clear strategy and we have very strong support across the world.

How is it more complicated, Jill? The lady doth protest too much

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 166 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Would be nice if more politicians were subjected to dogged follow-up questions like this. Instead the press just lets them deflect and ramble and change the subject.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 117 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mehdi Hasan is from the UK and that's how they do political interviews in Britain. Like you, I wish we did it in the U.S.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Interviewers in the US are all about themselves. Making themselves look good and preening in front of the camera. Dogging a recalcitrant subject with repeated questions is a bad look for them. Plus it convinces potential interviewees to stay away!

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Interviews in the US are based around stock algorithms. Most media headlines in the US, particularly about companies, are for stock algorithms/fluctuations. "Buy the rumor, sell the news," has been a classic adage for a while.

So really these interviews are basically ads. That's why Elon isn't being asked difficult questions about Tesla. If pieces come out trying to tank Tesla, they won't usually include an interview. Trump, as an entertainer and business person, is used to this type of interview and expects it. Unfortunately, advertising doesn't make for good journalism.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Probably their corporate overlords have some influence here as well.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 47 points 1 month ago

He did the same thing to an Israeli spokesperson, and then MSNBC fired him.

[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 34 points 1 month ago

I wish every interviewer were even half as good at this as Mehdi Hassan is. He is a delight to watch or read when he’s talking to anyone who is dodging questions.

[–] MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 16 points 1 month ago

Even if you don't get an answer, it's good to keep at it long enough that it's obvious they're avoiding it.

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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 67 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i really need more people to be aware this is who jill stein has always been. she focuses on the liberatory language of green politics but in practice is a fascist. there are two ways to view this. either she's an idiot who thinks she can deal with putin, or she knows exactly what she's doing and is in favor giving a genocidal maniac more power because it benefits her personally

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

She's a grifter so it really would not surprise me to learn that she's taken daddy putin's propoganda dollars.

Remember how she raised a bunch of money in 2016 to do a recount and then never did? Yeah. That's what grifting looks like. She had no legal way to actually accomplish the task she was fundraising for which is every bit as bad a selling someone snake oil.

She and the green party exist solely to extract money out of credulous idiots who buy the lie that voting for her does anything.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's always amusing seeing her fans try to explain this photo without suggesting she's pro-Putin.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh wow, that's a terrible photo. I didn't know about it, but given the recent tenat media lawsuit I figured russia pumping money into the green party wasn't crazy. They were more than willing to dump $5 mil on idiots like tim pool and dave rubin so why wouldn't they also pump a bunch of money in long shot candidates like Stein.

Heck, they've done it in the past via the NRA.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

It's not just the green party, they are trying to buy influencers for hundreds of thousands of dollars as well. Tana Monogeau just came out that she was offered substantial amount of money to endorse the Trump campaign and declined, and she suspects a lot of influencers have done this.

It's literally always projection. Remember them saying George Soros bought protestors?

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

She and the green party exist solely to extract money out of credulous idiots who buy the lie that voting for her does anything.

I want to copy this phrase and reply to every single post mentioning her as an alternative to voting for Harris.

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[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

This has strong "the front fell off" vibes.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

another Green voter got very agitated when called out for pushing only Russia's talking points in this debate:

https://www.youtube.com/live/wR4l5BWWzCQ?t=5010

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Can I get a timestamp?

Edit: my bad, embedded browser didn’t preserve the url timestamp. 1:23:30

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[–] mhague@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why was the reporter asking her tough follow up questions? It doesn't match what I usually see. Is Jill Stein bad because she can't afford to pay for easier interviews? For real though, I wish every "big name" was treated this way.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Agreed. Politicians are so insulated now from actual tough interviews

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[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 month ago

That’s Medhi Hassan. He’s a serious interviewer, and he’s tough with every politician he interviews if they aren’t answering questions.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I’m no fan of Stein. I was years ago, but not anymore. But she seems very clear in the beginning, then equivocates in the middle then clarifies (kinda) towards the end— but the way the interviewer goes after her seems like she’s being evasive in a way that doesn’t come across in the textual reading.

Is there an audio and/or video clip of this interview?

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