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- Henri Lefebvre, The Right to the City — In brief, the right to the city is the right to the production of a city. The labor of a worker is the source of most of the value of a commodity that is expropriated by the owner. The worker, therefore, has a right to benefit from that value denied to them. In the same way, the urban citizen produces and reproduces the city through their own daily actions. However, the the city is expropriated from the urbanite by the rich and the state. The right to the city is therefore the right to appropriate the city by and for those who make and remake it.
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@SteveKLord
I was born in 1953 and my image of people doing labor like this , based on how we perceived people in low income countries, is of a person whose body was worn out by age 30
to a large extent progress is humans not having to do heavy manual labor
sheesh
Yeah, instead we buy gym memberships and toil away at the gym. Or die of a heart attack by age 45. Progress!
Sheesh.
The majority of cargo bikes, especially those used for deliveries, are electric and don't require manual labor.
Regardless, I've been doing manual labor my entire 35 year career and still use a cargo bike almost daily. Only thing that has worn out is the seat & tires.
You seem to have missed the point of the article as it in no way was trying to propose more labor for working class people. In many ways it is trying to overcome the oppressive image that you have in your head. To a large extent, these changes are trying to advance human progress by overcoming the crises we find ourselves facing. You were born in 1953? That makes you about 70-71 but your profile says you're 66 years old. That's an odd inconsistency.
@SteveKLord
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yeah, I lie about my age
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re the 1,000x
if you read the comments in the thread you posted, several people point out this is just ludicrouis
so I"m not quite sure what I should have said to you when you post something that is absurd
seriously, what am I to say ?
I don’t want to silence this discussion because the “worn out bodies” comment is actually useful to be debunked and discussed
But pls read the slrpnk.net rules
There is space to disagree but be more constructive 🤝
Sir you are commenting in the wrong thread and the wrong community. Why do that here? I am not a moderator here. I did read all the comments a month ago when the discussion was current and active. You commented here in a combative way and then specifically went to an older post of mine and told me what "should be obvious to " me without any discussion of why or otherwise adding anything constructive. You received several downvotes and were asked to be more constructive. Instead you've doubled down here and repeated the insult.
Biking is not hard on your body at all. Plenty of people cycle well into their 70s.
@teft
even if this were true, it is true only if you have time rest and rejuvenate, and in particular rest after an injury
tht option often not available to people working at lower wage jobs
right ?
Cannot fix the need of stronger unions with cargo bikes for sure
Here in Italy they can have sick days, not an issue usually
yeah, hard physical work basically rejuvenates you... it is the latest secret of celebrities, they all do that instead of botox and spa...
Cargo bikes are smaller then vans. So you can get closer to the destination, without having to carry the parcel.