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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 120 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

We're in a post-truth world. The corporate media have normalized candidates that just stand there and tell lie after lie with little pushback.

I don't know how, or if it's even possible, to get back to the days when lying assholes got treated like lying assholes.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I don’t know how, or if it’s even possible, to get back to the days when lying assholes got treated as lying assholes.

We need to send the assholes to space, where they can go fuck up some other planet.

(Yes, I know what happened to the Golgafrinchans when they sent all the middlemen - or the 'useless population' - in to space).

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I nominate Venus, I hear it's nice this time of year.

[–] Okokimup@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

See also Emergency Skin by NK Jemison.

[–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Headline:

Trump ponders if we should nuke a hurricane. [Insert literally anyone else's name here] thinks that's probably a bad idea bUT iS iT?

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're got to take both sides seriously. If you don't you're a part of the woke, East coast liberal media elite and that's just like, really bad.

[–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I refuse to believe it's "post"-truth. It's a truth recession.

We have more overt fact-checking. if that trend continues, it can help push back on the patent falsehoods.

I'll debate the goals and methods of one party vs another, and I'll accept that one of them will have really bad ideas. Fact check the lies so they have to support their points on facts, that is, and I'll accept it.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

We have more overt fact-checking. if that trend continues, it can help push back on the patent falsehoods.

We don't though. Fact checking after the debate is of limited use. If you don't confront a lie the second it's told, the liar will rapidly go on to tell more lies and you end up with a Gish gallop of bullshit which is what we saw from Vance and Trump. They got away with it. A fact checking article on NPR the morning after does very little.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is not and never will be anything called "post-truth".

They're just liars.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To me, post-truth doesn't really mean "everyone lies all the time", rather it means that on contentious issues, there is no single perspective or narrative universally accepted as "the truth".

In 2024, facts and information is so readily available that its possible to find "facts" to support whatever perspective or position you want, even disingenuously.

Just a few decades ago, facts and information came from news papers and the evening news on TV. There was no "choose your own adventure" nonsense.

That doesn't really have much to do with trump and Vance, they just plain lie all the time and their voters don't care, because they're "low information" voters. That's not really what posy truth is about IMO.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

That’s not really what posy truth is about IMO.

I largely agree with what you said but Trump and Vance's lies are a contributing factor to our post truth world. They're following people like Putin and trying to create an environment where the truth is malleable to the point of being worthless and people are conditioned to believe there is no longer such a thing as objective truth because that environment gives them the greatest chance of maintaining power.