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I'm proud to be the one to start the fire this time. To be clear I do really want a good game out of all this.
Personally, I think Star Citizen is shallow and pedantic.
It's just a scam though isn't it? 💣💣💣
They're doing way too much work for it to be a scam. Irresponsible, naive, badly managed, sure. It can just be a bad project.
Its an educated wish.
It is, it's also in alpha still. If they were claiming beta in this state I'd be more worried rather than just mad they keep adding stupid shit instead of going full optimization. They have a game, they just need to get it out the door and worry about content in future releases. It's like the painter who can't call a painting finished.
After what feels like 20 years, it still being in alpha should worry you more than if this current state was called a beta.
Yes and no. On the other side they've essentially rebooted development something like 3 or 4 times. So there's a chance it comes up roses.
For other games that would be described as development hell
Yup, I acknowledge that it's in development hell.
Hell is a crucible that produces gods and ash.
There is "this game needs some more baking in the oven" and then there is "let's stick it in the oven and forget about it, hopefully it'll get incinerated and we can take everyone's money".
Do the developers want to create a god, or are they happy to take the money and let it crumble to ash?
Oh well if they've only started four times then that's fine. It's only a problem if they do it 20 times right, then we worry, but 4 times, nah, that's standard.
I'm not saying this is normal. Why are you so hellbent on making me look like I am?
Why you so hell-bent on defending fraud?
I don't know who pissed in your cheerios this morning but it wasn't me.
It’s like trying to trace an outline of a fractal.
They can claim whatever they want. But if it's publicly available then it's a beta regardless of what arbitrary name they give it.
If it was alpha it should be free.
The industry definitions of alpha/beta disagree with you.
Words have meaning and you’re using them wrong.
You are correct words do have a meaning. A weird thing for you to bring up since you're the one incorrectly applying labels here.
Alpha products are available only for internal review, they are not available for public release they are not intended to be viewed by the general populace.
If you're charging people money for it then it can't be an alpha because now it's an external product not an internal sample.
In video games development, and more broadly in software development, Alpha state refers to a feature incomplete and largely untested state and is unrelated to internal/external sales, review, testing or release.
While outside of recent trends, particularly in crowd funded games development, alpha releases to customers for paid software are less common they do occur and don't have any bearing on the alpha state of the software.
Further
And for Beta
I am both a qualified software developer, and have worked in the video games industry. I hope you have learnt something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle
Sorry bud you're just wrong on that one.
It's been in development hell for over 10 years it's not going anywhere slowly. They barely even have a product.
Okay? But it's still definitely an alpha.
Okay whatever you need to say to justify it to yourself.
This game came out before I went into university I've now graduated and could have completed a doctorate and it still wouldn't have been in beta yet. Is the development studio near black hole or something what's going on here.
I agree as well...
Indeed.