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Carmakers are failing the privacy test. Owners have little to no control of the data they hand over (www.ctvnews.ca)
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[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

And apparently neither are consumers

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 52 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't care about my data. I have nothing to hide. Haha they can have my data if they want.

Literally everyone i know

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You're missing the larger point. You dont have to have anything to hide for it to be an issue. They can now blackmail you for things they know about you, track you, use targeted advertising, listen in on your conversations. Hell, if there was a need to make you look guilty of a crime, with all the data on you, it wouldn't be that difficult to do.

Doesn't even get into the issues of fighting back against oppressive government, which isnmuch more difficult to do if they're constantly spying on you.

But, you're right, nothing to hide, so it's not a big deal I guess.

[–] teruma@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think the post you replied to was sarcasm.

[–] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)
  • Blackmail: This is a case where "I have nothing to hide" actually makes a big difference. Unless you are particularly well off and have significant skeletons, you just aren't important enough to even try to blackmail. And if you ARE important enough to blackmail? Slim jim and a recorder in the pocket on the back of your seat.
  • Track you: You also have a phone. And more and more traffic lights and street corners have cameras on them
  • Targeted advertising: This is already happening in every facet of life. Also, truth be told, if I have to see ads I would prefer they be for things I care about
  • Listen in on your conversations: See "Blackmail".
  • Frame you for a crime: Again, do you matter enough to target?
  • Fighting back against the government: Again, the vast majority of global north countries are becoming, or have already become, surveillance states. Not having a camera in your car doesn't matter much if they have a camera on every street you ever drive down

I am a strong advocate for privacy, when it matters. Because most people base their knowledge off of vague recollections of Sandy Bullock's movie or an episode of Futurama. And while it is good to be wary, it is also good to actually understand what you can and can't do. Focus your energy on the things that matter. And, more importantly, understand that the moment you "fight back against the government" you need to change just about every aspect of your life. Like, there is a reason good journalists learn to have separate devices that are never powered on anywhere near their personal devices.

[–] demlet@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Also, as long as people perceive it as a net benefit they'll put up with all kinds of privacy invasions. Being part of a society is always a tradeoff of certain liberties for certain securities.

[–] Demuniac@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Just you wait until insurance companies start charging you extra because you go to McDonalds once a month, or because you drive 5 miles over the speed limit sometimes. Or your ex wants revenge and pays someone on the dark web to get dirt on you so you lose custody of your kid. So much stuff can go wrong, and we shouldn't take it lightly.

If you think you have nothing to hide, you're not using your imagination enough.

[–] tim-clark@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Finally a coherent comment on privacy!!!

[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 7 points 2 years ago

In the case of cars there isn't really an alternative. The study the article cites looked at a bunch of different manufacturers and found the all sucked for privacy.

[–] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Vote with ya moolahhh