slaps the hood of my 03 Acura shitbox type S
Yep, she's a keeper.
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Yeah I plan to drive my Corolla shitbox into the ground. The only problem with my plan is that the earth will only be around for a few hundred million years. Maybe a few billion? And (as long as you do the maintenance on time) Corollas will last until the heat death of the universe.
Its sad. I LOVE the concept of smart devices, the fact that you can do things so much more conveniently with little interaction. They can absolutely be done without being privacy nightmares, but apparently companies are not interested in that.
And apparently neither are consumers
I don't care about my data. I have nothing to hide. Haha they can have my data if they want.
Literally everyone i know
You're missing the larger point. You dont have to have anything to hide for it to be an issue. They can now blackmail you for things they know about you, track you, use targeted advertising, listen in on your conversations. Hell, if there was a need to make you look guilty of a crime, with all the data on you, it wouldn't be that difficult to do.
Doesn't even get into the issues of fighting back against oppressive government, which isnmuch more difficult to do if they're constantly spying on you.
But, you're right, nothing to hide, so it's not a big deal I guess.
- Blackmail: This is a case where "I have nothing to hide" actually makes a big difference. Unless you are particularly well off and have significant skeletons, you just aren't important enough to even try to blackmail. And if you ARE important enough to blackmail? Slim jim and a recorder in the pocket on the back of your seat.
- Track you: You also have a phone. And more and more traffic lights and street corners have cameras on them
- Targeted advertising: This is already happening in every facet of life. Also, truth be told, if I have to see ads I would prefer they be for things I care about
- Listen in on your conversations: See "Blackmail".
- Frame you for a crime: Again, do you matter enough to target?
- Fighting back against the government: Again, the vast majority of global north countries are becoming, or have already become, surveillance states. Not having a camera in your car doesn't matter much if they have a camera on every street you ever drive down
I am a strong advocate for privacy, when it matters. Because most people base their knowledge off of vague recollections of Sandy Bullock's movie or an episode of Futurama. And while it is good to be wary, it is also good to actually understand what you can and can't do. Focus your energy on the things that matter. And, more importantly, understand that the moment you "fight back against the government" you need to change just about every aspect of your life. Like, there is a reason good journalists learn to have separate devices that are never powered on anywhere near their personal devices.
Also, as long as people perceive it as a net benefit they'll put up with all kinds of privacy invasions. Being part of a society is always a tradeoff of certain liberties for certain securities.
Just you wait until insurance companies start charging you extra because you go to McDonalds once a month, or because you drive 5 miles over the speed limit sometimes. Or your ex wants revenge and pays someone on the dark web to get dirt on you so you lose custody of your kid. So much stuff can go wrong, and we shouldn't take it lightly.
If you think you have nothing to hide, you're not using your imagination enough.
Finally a coherent comment on privacy!!!
In the case of cars there isn't really an alternative. The study the article cites looked at a bunch of different manufacturers and found the all sucked for privacy.
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Same. I've been slowly adding more and more smart devices to my Home Assistant instance and seeing it all interact is super neat. That said, the search for products that work 100% local and don't depend on the cloud is a total pain, outside of some products using the Zigbee standard and such.
Zigbee and z-wave is the way to go, yeah. They work completely local and disconnected from the internet (in fact, they cannot directly connect to the internet).
I post this a second time because this post is more active. What can we do to stop the transfer of data? Can we disconnect the antenna/modem that connects the cars to the Internet?
I know my vehicle has a fuse to pull to disconnect the modem.
Dont buy the car.
Thanks for the advice, I'll just walk 26 miles to work each day I guess...
That would've been possible when consumers had a choice but now it's too late.
This has been one of the major reasons I have no desire to buy a new car. I do not want a $30k IoT device that spies on me. Unfortunately, that is pretty much the norm now.
If/when I am forced to buy another, I’ll be looking hard into which ones are the easiest to rip the modem out of. Can’t be an IoT spying device without the internet.
I’m looking into restomods myself. No need to buy a new car and rip it up.
I wonder what your insurance company would say about that.
People modify their cars all the time and my insurance company has no business tracking everything I do either.
Fuck that insurance company. When mine shipped a couple of OBD-II connection boxes for us to install for our auto insurance, I sent them back. They told me I wouldn't get their special discount if I didn't install the trackers in our 2 vehicles. I said I'm not installing your tracker boxes regardless. I continue to have car insurance, and those alleged discounts didn't really amount to much.
I'm reposting this in every thread so anyone can see:
https://www.nissanusa.com/privacy.html
Sensitive personal information, including driver’s license number, national or state identification number, citizenship status, immigration status, race, national origin, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sexual activity, precise geolocation, health diagnosis data, and genetic information.
Not sure why Nissan needs my sexual activity data but I can maliciously comply and make them regret asking for it.
Keep sending images of goatse. But seriously speaking, it's probably not humans that are collating and sifting the data. It's all being fed to an algorithm.
Humans have access to the databases. Now another human can go to the nissan'sheadquarters of their countries, and request by the law of this country, that nissan provides the name of every people who had gay sex in their nissans.
Then they can arrest them and execute them.
That's the issue with collected datas. You ignore when some totilarist government will access those.
This is why GM is looking to remove android auto and Apple CarPlay. No mediator between them and your data
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Can't really go into depth, but I worked for a major automaker, privacy is a joke for newer cars even if you don't pay for the Internet plans.
Is there anything a mildly competent electronics enthusiast could do to disable any outbound data?
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Nissan also said it collected information on "sexual activity." It didn't explain how.
Nissan doesn't provide a detailed explanation of how the data is collected, but they say that the source they collect the data is "Direct contact with users and Nissan employees," Whatever that means.
If you suck your salesman off to get a better deal, daddy Nissan knows 😏
Nissan also said it collected information on “sexual activity.” It didn’t explain how.
Nissan doesn’t provide a detailed explanation of how the data is collected, but they say that the source they collect the data is "Direct contact with users and Nissan employees," Whatever that means.
Based on this information, I can only infer that the Nissan sales handbook has a section on using seduction for particularly difficult and/or hot potential customers.
…I used to work at a pizza shop. Oh, so that's why we got so many orders from the local Nissan dealership!
Are dumb cars still manufactured? I don't drive so I have no clue what the market's like.
Holy god. I'm not letting go of my '09 carolla and ebike. What the fuck.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But drivers are given little or no control over the personal data their vehicles collect, researchers for the nonprofit Mozilla Foundation said Wednesday in their latest "Privacy Not Included" survey Security standards are also vague, a big concern given automakers' track record of susceptibility to hacking.
Cars scored worst for privacy among more than a dozen product categories -- including fitness trackers, reproductive-health apps, smart speakers and other connected home appliances -- that Mozilla has studied since 2017.
The absence of such a law lets connected devices and smartphones amass data for tailored ad targeting and other marketing -- while also raising the odds of massive information theft through cybersecurity breaches.
Japan-based Nissan astounded researchers with the level of honesty and detailed breakdowns of data collection its privacy notice provides, a stark contrast with Big Tech companies such as Facebook or Google.
Further, Nissan says it can share "inferences" drawn from the data to create profiles "reflecting the consumer's preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behaviour, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes."
If an owner opts out of data collection, Tesla's privacy notice says the company may not be able to notify drivers "in real time" of issues that could result in "reduced functionality, serious damage, or inoperability."
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One of the reasons I got a motorcycle instead.
When Tesla came about ,I said privacy in cars is going to be a problem in the the future if people keep buying them and nobody protests. Well, we are now in that future. Crotch rockets may be our salvation.
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