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[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Seconding that's a not-how-things-were.

The lovely thing with legacy architectures (6502, 68k, x86, z80, etc.) that were in use during that time is that they were very very simple: all you needed to do was put executable code on a ROM at the correct memory address, and the system would boot it.

There wasn't anything required other than making sure the code was where the CPU would go looking for it, and then it'd handle it from there.

Sure, booting an OS meant that you needed whatever booted the CPU to then chain into the OS bootloader and provide all the things the OS was expecting (BIOS functions, etc.) but the actual bootstrap from 'off' to 'running code' was literally just an EPROM burner away.

It's a lot more complicated now, but users would, for the most part, not tolerate removing the ability to boot any OS they feel like, so there's enough pressure that locked shit won't migrate down to all consumer hardware.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I wonder what the newest PC motherboard with the BIOS ROM in a socketed DIP chip is.

At least a decade old, if not more than.

If you wanted to swap your vendor EFI image to something else, at this point it's all going to be via a SPI programmer, and if you own one of the two boards that it supports, coreboot/openboot.

But, essentially, you can't swap because there's very little supported hardware, and thus are stuck with your vendor proprietary EFI.

What's hilarious, I guess? is that the EFI setup is more or less it's own OS that can then chainboot an OS which is how the mid90s workstations (Sun, SGI, HP, etc.) worked.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

but users would, for the most part, not tolerate removing the ability to boot any OS they feel like, so there's enough pressure that locked shit won't migrate down to all consumer hardware.

what makes you think that?

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The same reason people who drive 20 miles a day have worries about range on an EV that'll do 300, or why people espouse the freedom of Android but then use the default Google apps.

People like the option of choice, even if they're not necessarily ever going to engage in making a different one.

If there are two options for a computer, one is "will run everything" and the other is "will only run Windows" a good portion of people are still going to pick the first, even though very few of them will ever do anything else, simply because people really really like having the option of choice.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think they even know that there's a possible choice. Common people don't understand computers, not at this level.

Cars is a good example for another reason. Do we have new cars without a built-in internet connection and continuous user (and environment) tracking, and questionable remote control functions? Afaik we don't.