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Until now, the story of Michigan’s role in the election has centered on Arab Americans’ profound discontent with the Democratic Party over Israel’s relentless devastation of Gaza. The war has left deep emotional wounds.

Israel’s recent military incursion into Lebanon feels like another twist of the knife, intensifying the sense of betrayal and alienation of one of the most critical voting constituencies in the country.

Kamala Harris’s chances of winning the presidency will plummet if she loses Michigan, and current polling shows she and Donald Trump are neck and neck there.

Come November 5, I think we may look back on the weeks after Israel invaded Lebanon as the moment Harris lost significant ground in the race.

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ethnic cleansing and genocide has already been happening.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Then vote for someone other than Harris and get it finishing, am I right?

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I just dont know what your original point was. It is already happening and will continue under both admins. Vote for Harris yeah but it ain't gonna change this issue.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Voting for anyone other than Harris guarantees that Netanyahu will go on unchecked.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He already is unchecked. He will remain unchecked. This is the unfortunate, and rather obvious truth. Both parties fund and arm the genocide, and pave international groundwork for it to persist. This has been US foreign policy for decades.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Exactly. So the issue of genocide in Gaza is effectively moot in the 2024 election. Both sides are pro-genocide, so decide your vote on other issues. Trump, of course, is better on exactly none of the issues.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yep. We should be factual about the differences as there are many and stop focusing with blatant fabrication.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It already is being finished. Killing innocent people is political orthodoxy. Anyone who supports that is someone with whom I cannot agree.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

So vote for someone who has no chance of winning allowing a fascist to destroy US democracy and ensure the annihilation of Palestinian people. Awesome principals.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

If Trump is bad because he would kill Palestinians, then the 'principle' is that no one is good, because no one is stopping it.
You are trying to have your cake and eat it, too.

I reject your nihilism, it is disgusting. And I maintain that innocent people being killed is not acceptable.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In Rwanda is 1994 the Hutus killed 800,000 Tutsis in 100 days.

If Isreal were unrestrained they would have mounted bulldozer blades on their tanks, IFVs, APCs, and lined them up with their engineering vehicles and armored bulldozers, plowed the infrastructure and people of Gaza into the ocean, and built settlments on the land.

But by all means, you keep using those big words and telling yourself whatever you need to to maintain that sense of moral superiority. I hope to god that Harris wins for the sake of the Palenstinian people.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I hope to god that Harris wins for the sake of the Palenstinian people.

And what if she wins, killing innocent people continues, and you rationalise that as acceptable? After all, your preferred candidate won.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Voting for anyone else will ensure the deaths of many more Palestinians under a christofascist dictatorship in the US that removes all restraints Netanyahu but you will feel good about yourself because of your principled stance. Good for you.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/kamala-harris/muslim-faith-leaders-endorse-kamala-harris-rcna174190

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

but you will feel good about yourself because of your principled stance

I will, thank you! It is a good thing to be against killing.

Voting for anyone else

I'm not voting at all, because I am complying with American law. I hope you appreciate that, unless you like election laws being broken? I don't, because that will almost certainly help Trump win, overall - that's why the project so hard about election law being overrun by scary immigrants and what have you, because they intend to break those same laws to secure a victory.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In Rwanda is 1994 the Hutus killed 800,000 Tutsis in 100 days.

If Isreal were unrestrained they would have mounted bulldozer blades on their tanks, IFVs, APCs, and lined them up with their engineering vehicles and armored bulldozers, plowed the infrastructure and people of Gaza into the ocean, and built settlments on the land.

But by all means, you keep using those big words and telling yourself whatever you need to to maintain that sense of moral superiority. I hope to god that Harris wins for the sake of the Palenstinian people.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social -5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It sounds like you're giddy about the ethnic cleansing. Gross.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, I think it's grotesque. I'm just realistic about the people who are dumb enough to think that they are punishing Harris by electing a fascist who will allow Netanyahu to do whatever he wants. It's fucking stupid.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Netanyahu is already doing whatever he wants. You claim to think it's grotesque yet call people "dumb" and "fucking stupid" for taking a principled stance against the people actively enabling it.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com -1 points 2 weeks ago

Looks like you found smirkin' Matt Miller's account