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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

you mean all those nuclear missiles pointed at us on a hair trigger for the last 60 years were just their way of saying i love you?

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/23/world/europe/russias-sarmat-missile-test.html

They can't shoot them.

The old ones, designed by ukrainians in the ussr, have expired, and the new ones are more likely to nuke Russia than anyone else.

They have a busted flush, hence all the attempts to scare us into giving them all of Europe.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

That's just the Sarmat missile. It only takes one ICBM. I assure you that enough of their nuclear triad is functional to devastate the stability of human civilization across the entire planet.

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

You don't know that. Look at how poorly they've maintained their conventional military, the one they actually depend on. A nuclear arsenal is very expensive to maintain.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Which is why they will only use it once they've lost everywhere else, and to reverse an invasion of their terriroty that threatens their survival as a country. An actual last resort.

They know most of their missiles are flawed, and we have countermeasures for most of those.

It's like China's final warning, they swore they would nuke Kyiv if they attacked Russian soil, and Ukraine took Kursk, just like Priggy got halfway to Moscow and Putin actually fled.

It's the Russian way, talk huge, but always crumple in the end. Same way the Soviet Union went btw.

The oligarchs are not going to nuke the west, they keep most of their money and stuff there!

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

We don't have countermeasures for a nuclear assault from Russia. Don't be absurd. GMD, THAAD, and ABMD aren't designed as full countermeasures. They're designed to protect nuclear assets and command and control centers long enough to launch a return strike. You're fooling yourself if you think we can stop a Russian nuclear attack. Our main and only real countermeasure is the same as it's been for 60+ years: MAD and other forms of deterrence.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah we do, not like you think.

We spent trillions over the past few decades while Russia was collapsing like a flan.

Russia thinks they have nukes so that makes them feel safe, but you know the US never, ever goes without having a solution beforehand.

Abm is 1 layer, we have a dozen others, because they don't cost that much and we have nothing but people having ideas all the time.

The whole point is that Russia knows, we can hit their launchers before they can fire (ours fire so much faster and aren't liquid fuel, and we have so many fast attack subs compared to their few borei).

They know they have a 50:50 chance at best to seriously hurt us, and Russia, the area of land they occupy, will be removed from the planet in that case.

They pretend they actually are strong because the Russian mentality is 'you are strong or you are a victim', which is why they constantly piss people off and make everyone hate them, because they'd rather be hated than have people think they're weak.

Ukraine destroyed that illusion, everyone expected them to walk across in days. We now know for a fact that Russia is a true Potempkin state.

And all the countries that have historical grudges with Russia? Ie, their neighbors?

When it comes, it will come at once.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

No, but it goes both ways. They have missiles aimed at us. We have missiles aimed at them. They probably aren't gonna be better off if they use theirs. As long as we structure stuff such that escalation from them is disadvantageous to them, and as long as they're acting rationally, they're incentivized to not act, whether in smaller things like bombing airliners or larger things like the missiles.