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[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (14 children)

Not voting to absolve yourself from moral responsibility for the outcome is a fallacy though. Many people do believe that inaction somehow makes them less responsible but that just isn't the case. Inaction isn't the magical option, you still have to live with the outcome and you still have all the same opportunity costs as with any choice on the ballot.

If you think you aren't responsible for the events in Israel and Palestine because you didn't vote for either candidate you are just deluding yourself.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (13 children)

Well, that's the thing: that's just your character and your opinion.

Clearly other people feel and think differently and a "Trump is Evil vote Harris to stop him" message didn't work with them, otherwise the Democrat Party wouldn't have lost 14 million voters with their strategy of being as bad as Trump in some areas and not much less so in others whilst selling themselves as the "Not Trump" option.

I've had these talks well before the election and indeed back them people might have been right (and me wrong) in their expectation that most people would put "Keep Trump out" above pretty much everything else, including their principles, and vote for a no-hope-offered candidate just to stop Trump.

Turns out that 14 million people clearly didn't got convinced to go vote for a party that offered no actual positive policies, only "We're Not Trump" a characteristic which, as I pointed out above, would only convince to vote Democrat solely to stop him those who think Trump is trully the most horrible thing in existence.

I suppose that outside the bubble in places like Lemmy a lot of people either did not fear Trump anywhere as much as a certain well-off middle class that hangs around here does or thought the Democrats were about as evil as he is (which is were the Palestine situation comes in: in my opinion it convinced a lot of people that the Democrats too are Evil, since it's a pretty natural thing to conclude of those who activelly support the mass murder of children).

The impact of the Democrat choices in Gaza wasn't just about concern with Palestinians, it was also about what it told of the character and morals of the Democrats leadership, which in turn impacts the trust in them and in what they say, which is especially bad for a party with a tradition of lying with half-truths and other such forms of deceit using dialetics trickeries (I suspect with would impact less those using the "just saying anything that comes to his mind independently of it being true or not" technique such as Trump).

A platform of "we're the most moral choice" doesn't work all that well when you're activelly supporting and giving weapons to a genocidal regime mass murdering civilians for their race, including tends of thousands of children and thousands of babies.

Certainly the results don't seem to indicate that "More people like Trump", rather they indicate that even in the face of Trump, fewer people could bring themselves to vote Democrat, which is IMHO a horrible indictment of the Democrat Party.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz -2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Hey, if you're cool being complicit in the final steps of a genocide don't let us evil libs stop you 🤷

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Says the one putting a cross next to the name of a confirmed and active Genocide supporter that even refuses to face Palestinian families all the whilst claiming like an hypocrite that she's anti-racist.

How does complicity in the murder of 17 pages worth of babies less than 1 year old feel?

Did you masturbate yourself when those 2000lb bombs (that the US Military refuses to use themselves because of their massive collateral damage) that Biden sent to Israel whilst you supported him got used to blow up Lebanese neighborhoods killing hundreds of civilian, or was the pleasure of supporting the leader of your tribe no matter what he did enough to give you maximum pleasure?

You know what would have done the most to stop the Holocaust in Palestine? If people like you had turned hard against Biden and the DNC a year ago (with time enough to force him to change his actions well before the election or be replaced by somebody who was different) instead of being subservient little bootlikers to Biden and the DNC guarateing the inevitable Democrat defeat on top of hundreds of thousands of dead with your support.

Keep up preaching your moral superiority from the top of that pile of children's bones - built with the bombs the party leadership you supported like a "good boy" sent to Israel - you think is a moral high-ground.

You would disgust me if I didn't pitty you so much.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

awww, this brought a tear to my eye. 😂 . thank you for composing this. can I get your number (rhetorically)?

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