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My favorite Steven Seagal story, from his Wikipedia page:
A movie producer I worked with in my time in the industry had done a movie with Segal in which Segal was to shoot a gun. Segal said he would only use a very specifically modified AR15. The production purchased the AR with all of the upgrades Segal requested. Segal fired it one time, said it was too loud and had too much kickback and he wanted to use a prop instead.
He said an AR-15 had too much recoil? Is he made of tissue paper, or did they mod it to fire artillery shells? Christ, one of the demos they did for us at our first live fire in basic training was having one of our fellow soldiers hold an M-16 stock UP TO HIS NUTS and fire it downrange to show just how little recoil they had. I'm not kidding, I personally witnessed this. I have also put at least 20,000 rounds through M-16's and AR-15's in my life. They don't kick. Seagal is a pussy.
I was trained with the H&K G3 with a slide stock. It's 7.62 and when I tried a 5.56 for the first time (a Swedish AK-5)I literally had to check to see if it did indeed shoot. There was no recoil from the 5.56. Never tried a M-16 apart from checking out the M-4 that the Rangers my squad was seconded to had (I was Norwegian Combat Engineer), no way that can kick to much.
M-4 / M-16 same difference. Unless it's chambered in something other than 5.56 they all shoot the same. And yeah, it's nothing like 7.62. As you are aware... you KNOW it when you're firing 7.62!
x39 is slightly more kick than 556, unless you're talking x51, then sure.
It's why they're in common use and one of the best things for home defense. Basically anyone can handle one
Edit: ITT... people who think a shotgun with birdshot isn't going through walls and is easier to use than a AR. In close distances, birdshot is a slug and will %100 go through walls.
https://youtu.be/j3BlRPtCj2E
Stop being stupid... unless you're shooting 22lr, it's going through multiple walls.
I wouldn't use an AR for home defense because I'm not interested in shooting through 4 walls and killing my neighbors kid by accident.
I believe bird shot is enough of a deterrent for home defense and requires significantly less precision in a tense situation.
A long gun is not good for home defense. A pistol is much better in CQC. Also a shotgun does require much less aiming in a high stress situation. You're just being silly.
Also birdshot is not a slug. Those are literally two different things. That's two different kinds of ammo, what are you talking about. A slug has way more mass, which is a hug factor in penetration. Wtf is this nonsense.
Source: bored out of my mind in the UMSC stained at 29 Palms and did Mohave Viper combat training stuff a ton. Try to clear a tight building with an AR and you realize how easy it is to just grab a barrel as you try to clear a room.
They didn't teach you not to flag your barrel at the corners? Or you were using an M16 instead of an M4?
And at 10 meters you're going to get about a 5 inch spread on that birdshot. At 3 meters (a standard 10x10 foot room) you're looking at about 1.5 inch spread. At 1.5 inches it's absolutely going to say hello to the next room over. Granted, an honest to god slug is going to go through the next 5 rooms at least.
Pistols are nice but actually require more training because people hold them wrong, sight them wrong, and reset them wrong, whereas a rifle or shotgun is a lot more intuitive as long as your target is reasonably close.
The conclusion is obvious. The best home defense weapon is a claymore mine rigged to your front and back doors with a poorly executed wire that taps a battery. Hopefully it only does it when the door opens. No worries about neighbors or missing the bad guy.
Source - Combat Infantry Badge, circa 2003 and way too much time being told I couldn't do things I thought were perfectly reasonable.
Well obviously an ied hidden in a wall and hooked up to a unmarked lightswitch is the ideal means of home defense, but you need a gun in case there's a second wave of home invaders.
See now, that's just too much handy knowledge for me. I have just enough handyman knowledge to order a sign online that says, "Smile For The Flash!"
Yes, you are taught how to clear corners. The problem is, in a home with tight hallways that's hard to prevent while staying keeping an alert stance, without having another person to cover you. But hell, if you got a husband and wife team sweeping that would be bad ass.
And you're correct, birdshot will most likely go into the next room. But it won't go through multiple rooms and possibly into a close neighbor.
Agreed that's pistols take much more skill, but I stand by them as the best home defense weapon if you're able to train. A revolver specifically.
Anddddd you sold me on the claymore.
I have nothing to add besides the fact that I have been cut off by a USMC van in Morongo valley, they took me putting petal to the metal to get past them as a challenge. They money clutched.
Anyways 29 Palms is quite nice this time of year, I have to drive out to Joshua tree and the surrounding area for deliveries.
I couldn't tell you why, but for some reason when anyone says 29 Palms is nice it makes me upset. Maybe I was just trapped there for too long haha.
Oh no the area kinda sucks, im moreso referring to the weather and general climate. Id rather be stuck in fucking Baker than 29 palms, at least there I dont have to deal with the weird desert yuppies.
A 16" barrel AR is going to be much easier for someone with very little experience in CQC using than a damn shotgun or a handgun. They're not fucking marines...
Never said it was. Literally said it's basically a slug at 10' in a home. Shit is not fanning out to a huge wall of pellets like the comment basically says.
Please re-read what I said...no where did I state it was a slug.
Cool, no one is fucking clearing their damn homes like they're in Iraq...
Yes, they're not Marines, meaning it's even easier for someone to just grab the gun around the corner and make it useless. If you get into a scuffle a hand gun is going to still be able to be used.
I mean sure, if you don't care about what's outside or neighbors. There's a big difference on penetration there.
Exactly my point. Clearing a house effectively with a long gun is much harder than a hand gun. You have to be aware of blind corners and peaks where the barrel can be grabbed before you even see the person. That was my point. A handgun remains effective in a melee.
Except for kindergartners
Now wondering if there are six-year-olds in Africa using M16/AR-15 style rifles as part of some warlord's army. I guess they don't get to go to kindergarten, though.
AK47, no US arms are there being used, it's a popular rifle here, but anywhere else in the world its AKs and SKSs and Mosins. The amount of those variants built in the world is probably 5Xs the AR variants out there. The mosins alone are like 100+ million built.
Do you know what happened to the gun afterwards?
The producer has it.
He ate it, from what it looks like.
I'm just using your story as an excuse to promote Bobby Fingers. Check out a diorama on the confrontation.
https://youtu.be/3aCMTpJx2cs
You can not go wrong with Bobby Fingers.
I'm glad you did. What craftsmanship!
Lol imagine thinking that aikido training means your brain doesn't need oxygen.
Well, I would have guessed that less brain needs less oxygen, but I'm clearly wrong.
It's truly a gem of a story. I can only hope Seagal thinks of it frequently, and has yet to accept himself and heal.
I love this. If it were a lie, I'm certain he'd sue them for defamation. Honestly, they probably should have sued him for calling them liars. Make him go to court over it and get it all documented. That would be the funniest thing to happen.
Rereading this makes me want to hug someone. It's like a blanket straight from the dryer. Thank you
Based on the picture it looks like he vowed to never take another shit for the rest of his life.
The champion of No Shit September.
Lost a scuffle to avoid getting choked, gets choked anyway. Shit self in the process. Classic Seagal.
Haha oh wow... He not only failed to stay concious, but also shit himself in front of everyone. I love that for him.
Honestly, they both come across as Dumb & Dumber. LeBell surely didn't have to actually prove such claim, but he still wanted to put Seagal to sleep, which could have ended in Seagal's death. It's literally a Jackass situation.