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Makes no sense if it's the same premise, same major characters and basically the same recipe as the original -- which seems to be its selling point. But the mouse fucks over whoever it can.
It's going to be some kind of a soft reboot. It won't be the same show. It's not even going to have Karen and Foggy.
I don't know if it'll be good, or not. I just know, it won't be a 4th season of The Daredevil we know.
Weird that they didn’t hire back the two best characters on the show, especially since Deborah Ann Woll has made it clear she’s still interested.
If Deborah Ann Woll wants to be in their show and Deborah Ann Woll is not in their show, I fear a lot of bad decisions are going into the production of their show.
https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/daredevil-deborah-ann-woll-not-asked-marvel-join-born-again-1235435877/
That will be the sticking point. If this is a continuation of the Netflix series, resetting the contract terms will be messed up.
If it's not a continuation, it's still kind of messed up that they're going with the less generous contract terms. I also personally think that would be a bad decision just from a creative standpoint. People wanted more of the Netflix Daredevil, not Disney-fied Daredevil with some of the same actors.
Get ready for CGI fest Daredevil. Remember him doing CGI backflips and shit in She-Hulk? Welcome to Disney's Daredevil haha.
its gonna be unwatchable
While I am not a fan of the historic tendency for Disney (and I think also Nickelodean?) to use soft reboots and spinoff shows to keep shows in certain budgetary brackets:
That is a horrible idea. Tying contracts to continuity is just a giant mess that actively discourages even stuff like The Good Place/Parks and Rec/Brooklyn 99 where there are vague references to each show in a way that you can kind of pretend they are all the same universe. Instead, it means that studios would be even less likely to work with a popular show runner for fear of triggering "continuity"
In theory: The current model "works". I would hope Charlie Cox was able to negotiate a strong paycheck for himself. Same with Dinofrio. Because they were almost universally praised for Netflix Daredevil and it doesn't really matter if this is Earth-616 or Earth -617. If your show was successful then you are in a very good position to negotiate for the sequel series (... and that is how you get a spinoff with the little brother somehow becoming President because the lead actress wanted too much money)
In reality? Daredevil Season 1 was largely praised and like the first two thirds of Season 2 were almost universally praised. The last third of Season 2 was a shitshow that was setting up the tie-in show, which was god awful, and Season 3 (?) was a mess from top to bottom. Maybe you can blame a lot of that on the show runners (we sure as hell won't blame the execs...), but it greatly "devalues" the performers. Which... is arguably by design. Same with Deborah Ann Woll who, weird "I guess I'll just strip so we can get some naked upper back in the series premier" aside, consistently became the heart and soul of TWO of the Netflix shows and more or less redeemed one of the top 100 most problematic characters in Marvel history. And Idle Hands kid wasn't completely horrible.
And... I honestly don't know how to handle that. Just because someone was hired in season 1 doesn't mean they need the biggest paycheck on the crew. Just like someone who showed up two seasons ago but became THE standout star doesn't deserve to get paid shit. The hope would be for more Friends like collective bargaining but... sometimes you have stuff like Mythbusters where Adam and Jaime were very much "work friends" or stuff like Castle where Stana Katic and Nathan FIllion will be the chief suspect if the other ends up dead.
Similarly: Sometimes a soft reboot is good. Look at all the people who will INSIST you need to watch Supernatural from episode 1 even though we all acknowledge Season 1 is nothing like the rest of the series and the show itself more or less completely changed premises and genres three or four times.
But... those are also what are historically used to break the bargaining power of a "show".
Don't you think this show will be a little more than a vague reference or a quick cameo? I think you're making a really disingenuous argument here.
And those cameos or shared-universe things should be negotiated anyway and probably are. It actually is also somewhat helpful for the show to share the universe with another popular show, otherwise they wouldn't do that. But this isn't that. This is them going "you liked Netflix's Daredevil, so here, enjoy". That's their selling point. It's not from the makers of Daredevil, it's the same Daredevil.
Here is a tip: If you want to have a conversation with someone, don't open up with calling them a liar because clearly anything that is not your world view must be a lie. It is a toxic mindset to begin with and just makes people not want to deal with you.
Also, I have no idea how any of that applies to what I said above. While I assume he got a decent paycheck, I am pretty sure Ted Danson wasn't paid as though he had been on Frasier for 11 seasons when he did his cameos as Sam.
Thanks for the tip! Agree to disagree about everything but I still I think your framing wasn't fair compared to the show in question. Have a nice day.