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Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump
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Democrats definitely don't want a stateless society. So they definitely should not listen to leftists.
In which case, I cannot argue with. Which means the Democrats most certainly do not support the interests of the working class, and just want power over others. Which means, none of us should be voting for them, or the GOP.
Plenty of people in the working class don't want a stateless society, either.
Plenty of people in the working class want a fascist dictator too... That's why its our job to work on raising class consciousness still.
And yes, the majoritarianism argument is to be had, as well.
So by "interests of the working class", you don't mean "listen to the working class". You mean "tell the working class what their interests are".
Classic leftist. And you accuse Democrats of wanting power over others.
No, I mean "listen to, and address them"... ie, the economy is in the shitter. The working class is telling you its in the shitter. So, agree that's what they are facing, and then doing something about it, that actually solves the problem.
So, no, I do not mean "telling them what their interests are", we already know what the interests of the working class is: Economic security, housing security, food security, and access to health care and education.
A lot of working class folks think the causes of those issues are: Brown people, women working, women voting, not being christian... etc etc. All of those are easily debunked as the cause, so the job is to educate them by showing them the root cause of those issues: The current ruling class of oligarchs, not their fellow workers.
Are you listening when the vast majority tell you they don't want a stateless society?
A stateless society is an end goal, and there's much work between now and that. Sure, they don't want one now, they say, but ever notice how often the complaint is "The government is hurting me, and I want it to stop..."?
Eventually, the solution to that is to get rid of the problem... The state. But that can't happen until class consciousness has reached the revolutionary point, and the US is double timing it's way to that, given the current Gini coefficient.
In the meantime, however, we CAN work to take power from the state, and giving it back to the people, one step at a time.
Please don't fall into that trap of thinking there's a Magic Button that just turns everything Full Communism.
No, I haven't noticed that.
In fact, that sounds like something Ronald Reagan used to say:
Reagan wanted to shrink the state too. Maybe you really should direct your advice to the GOP.
You should talk to more voters then...
Did you miss like, all of 2019? 2014? Have you spoken to any Black person, and ask them why their parents have to give them the police talk?
Reagan also wanted the German Wall to fall. So, that must mean the removal of the German Wall is evil, right? The autobahn was created by Hitler, so obviously, highways are evil.
Your fallacy is known as "Poisoning the well".
No, what I mean is that Trump and Musk want to shrink the state, right now. In fact that is all they are doing, right now. Did you miss all the executive orders in the past week that are defunding every part of government?
So if that is your goal too, then you squarely belong inside the MAGA movement. You are diametrically opposed to Democrats, who if anything want to expand the state.