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Ahead of Chair Vote, Progressives Say DNC 'Failing Disastrously' to Learn From Loss to Trump (www.commondreams.org)
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[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 7 points 34 minutes ago

Biden won the previous election (barely) because Trump's incompetence was on full display and people were angry about it. It'll happen again, but unfortunately, elections are pretty much done in the USA. Between fuckery and intimidation, we're unlikely to see a 'fair' election until a major revolution occurs in the USA.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Dems do not care to "learn". They do not want to help you. They do not want to undermine the capitalist empire. They aren't hapless, they just don't work for you.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 3 points 30 minutes ago (2 children)

You know how ACAB? Because a good cop will quickly get checked to doing bad cop things out of fear, or they leave (willingly or in a body bag).

I'm starting to think that with politics. You go in with the dreams of change. Then you see the bloat and bullshit. You try to pass a bill to make sure that all kids have the right to free food, and some fuck face screams at you and doxxes your family on Rogan and now you got death threats.

I don't have an answer.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 minutes ago

Pretty much. I think that the higher you go politically, the more that good people are filtered out by the system.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world -4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Ok, "leader of Our Revolution". If Democrats are a failure then form your own party and show Democrats how it's done.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If Democrats are a failure then form your own party and show Democrats how it’s done.

I mean, there is the Green Party, for example. Not one I'm a fan of.

But the problem with third parties is the fact that the system is engineered to only allow two parties to exist.

We could do a repeat of what they did in Nevada, and just wipe the entire incumbent Dem Committee seats, and started over with a new set of folks, all leftists. And then, the Dems did nothing but tear them down, until they got those seats back.

3 wasted years of Dems fighting leftists, just to obtain power. Not to enact changes, not after learning any lessons. Nevada is back to just another rubber stamp for oligarchs. A controlled oppo team.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 1 points 56 minutes ago* (last edited 48 minutes ago) (1 children)

I'm not a fan of the Green Party, either. Among other things, they gave us Senator Sinema.

But if leftists want to demonstrate that they are better than establishment Dems at winning elections, then leftists will have to win elections. Starting with primaries.

And yes, others will try to "tear them down" from all sides. Intraparty fighting never ends, even after winning an election. Just ask Joe Biden. That's the nature of politics, which leftists often don't want to face.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 2 points 29 minutes ago (1 children)

This is not leftism. What you're proposing is just a shiny new liberal party. This hypothetical new party would be subject to the same mechanisms and forces that corrupted the democratic party. Give it 50 years, and we are back at square one: capital will swallow any agency that your proposed party once exhibited.

I really encourage you to do some reading on Marxism and leftism before you throw around the term so carelessly. https://socialistworker.org/2012/07/20/what-is-a-vanguard-party

Decrying actual leftists for not participating in american electoralism that is wholley orchestrated by capital is going to fall on deaf ears. Leftists have no interest in creating a new capitalist party and subsequently refining capitalism.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 0 points 27 minutes ago (1 children)

Then I was right. Leftists don't want to win elections.

But Democrats do. So why should Democrats listen to leftists?

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 minutes ago (1 children)

So why should Democrats listen to leftists?

What are you on about? Democrats, in one of the most embarrassing defeats in recent history, literally just made it clear to the world that they would rather lose than cater to leftists. Biden decided that carrying out genocide in Gaza was more important than defeating Trump.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago

That's the usual explanation leftists give. But I'm not sure Democrats should listen to that, either.

Especially since the largest shifts towards Trump in 2024 occurred in the Latino and Gen Z male demographics. Both of them are more centrist than average Democrats, and they are the demographics that Democrats need to win back in 2028.

[–] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 27 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

The democrats are very good at fighting a change inside their own party. They're very bad at fighting republicans on the national stage. Case in point, voter suppression in the last election, the stolen election of Gore v. Bush in 2000 (Gore had majority in Florida in the end, did you hear CNN reporting about it?)

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The Dem base has been fully bought out by corporate interests. They are "controlled opposition" in every sense. A vestigial remnant of their 1940s peak that mostly exists to rein in the excesses of the prior conservative leadership (although, one could argue even FDR ultimately filled that role).

(Gore had majority in Florida in the end, did you hear CNN reporting about it?)

The degree to which Florida has been fumbled by Dems for the last 30 years cannot be overstated.

[–] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz -3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

The degree to which Florida has been fumbled by Dems for the last 30 years cannot be overstated.

As much as they messed up there, I have to point out that a significant percentage of the voters went for Nader (although would have preferred Gore to Bush). That stupid idiotic moronic idealism cost them and the world two pointless wars in the Middle East, whose ripple effects can still be felt. Nevertheless R's just stole the election and the D's rolled over I suppose in order not to cause instability and keep the corporate overlords happy. Can you imagine how angry the R machinery would have gotten if the roles were reversed (possibly some of the D base as well, but just because they're not similar scum as R voters)?

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 3 points 1 hour ago

That stupid idiotic moronic idealism cost them and the world two pointless wars in the Middle East

Agreed. Moronic idealism to back corporate interests over the working class by the Dems certainly screwed us over.

Imagine if the Dems actually stole policies from Nader, and sucked in those Nader voters? Imagine how much better we'd be as a nation?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

That stupid idiotic moronic idealism cost them

Nader pulled from D and R voters in equal measure. That's not why Gore lost. Miami-Dade county was deliberately obstructed from completing its vote counting by Republican campaign staff

Both Roger Stone and Brad Blakeman take credit for managing the riot from a command post, although their accounts contradict each other. Republican New York Representative John E. Sweeney gave the signal that started the riot, telling an aide to "shut it down".

Blaming Nader for a judicial coup is asinine. Dems pivoting hard right as a result - by embracing Iraq Warmongering, financial deregulation, and rapid expansion of domestic O&G production - did significantly more damage to the party than Nader's protest votes.

Can you imagine how angry the R machinery would have gotten if the roles were reversed

You hardly have to imagine. Just ask Republicans how they felt about the Perot voters in '92, when Clinton swept the EC with 43% of the total vote.

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