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Do you think Darwin meant this in an aspirational or observational way?
“Favored Races” does not mean “white people.” “Favored races” = “selected species.”
This reminds me of weird creationist canards. Darwin is not responsible for social Darwinism, and distanced himself from it. He was talking about finches and tortoises.
Don't pretend Darwin and Galton were the same person just because they were related.
Darwins was pretty bullish on white surpremacy and sexism.
https://wng.org/roundups/darwins-racism-1617223432
After religion took a nosedive it was very convenient that slaves and colonies suddenly turned out to be "biologically inferior" humans.
People twisted Darwinism. Don't blame this on him.
Maybe I misinformation. A few quotes I saw did not provide a great look.
Nonetheless evolution was widely used in the past to provide a "scientific" argument for racism instead of a "religious" argument.
Yes, when you read cherry picked quotes from creationist websites, you are going to get a very warped view of evolution and Darwin. I would suggest in the future reading primary sources directly (both Origin of Species and The Descent of Man are freely available in the public domain - Origin is going to be way easier for you to read). You always want to critically evaluate your secondary sources for bias and accuracy.
Another thing to be aware of us that language use changes over time. “THE PRESERVATION OF FAVOURED RACES IN THE STRUGGLE FOR LIFE” is basically a summary of natural selection - “favored”/selected for species survive, other species die.
I am curious where your claim that Darwin “had a passion for misoginy[sic]” originates from as well. That would imply some unusually intense or abnormal sexist thoughts compared to Darwin’s contemporaries?
And yes - evolution has been used to justify the pseudo science of Social Darwinism and scientific racism, just as quantum physics has been used to justify the pseudo science of reiki and energy healing. But Schrödinger is not responsible for Deepak Chopra.
Is Science.org a creationist website? Further research affirms my believes instead of debunking it.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abj4606
As for your other question, same source
Yes - great progress in learning how to critically evaluate your sources! Science.org is a great source compared to “Evolution News” (creationist blog) or “World: Sound journalism, grounded in facts and biblical truth.”
No one has denied that Darwin held racist or sexist views. Everyone is aware that he was a 19th century Englishman who held many of the problematic views that 19th century Englishmen had.
You might notice here, that Darwin noticed the science was not favoring his racist views. That’s way that maliciously quoted passage from Descent is so muddied - he is trying to reconcile his understanding (and the predominant understanding) with what the science says.
For sexism - Descent heavily emphasized the fact that female sexual selection is a major drive of natural selection. This is profoundly less sexist than contemporary natural philosophers understanding of reproduction.
I’m not even sure what argument you are trying to make any more. You seem to be a crypto creationist parroting bad faith arguments that were worn out on Usenet back when our worst fears were the Y2K bug.
TIL anyone who shows that Darwin was factually racist is a crypto creationist.
Give it up. Science.org is very clear about Darwins racism and the quotes leave nothing to the imagination.
Are you a creationist? What are your views on natural selection?
Using two creationist sources and then finally resorting to science.org is pretty sus
That’s not talking about Darwin’s views though, that’s talking about how scientific racism adapted and distorted Darwinism.
Darwin was against slavery and connected to several abolitionists. Darwin never really promoted social Darwinism, and his writings point out how human society does take care of its weak/those who would not otherwise survive.
Like these are not the words of an evil sexist pro slavery eugenicist. I would not argue that Darwin wasn’t sexist or racist at all - it’s the 1800s, they all are - but Darwin is not responsible for eugenics/social Darwinism.
The article I linked previously was the top result this one might be slightly better it contains some quotes
There is more this is only a small part. Darwin also had passion for misoginy
I’m genuinely surprised to see creationist apologia on Lemmy. Here’s another article from the same website:
“When Christians Embrace Scientific Materialism”
It might not surprise you then that that Darwin quote is taken dishonestly out of context:
Eg, he’s talking about the elimination of a taxonomic distinction not violence or subjugation.
At this point, I’m not sure if you are being intellectually honest or if this is a weird crypto creationist propaganda thing.
Civilized is the word which was used for White.
Savage is the word which was used for non white. There is no real way to spin this.
Acknowledging Darwin was racist like basically everyone else back then is not defending creationism.
I know this is a tough passage to read, but no. That’s not what these words mean here. And again - “exterminate” is not referring to conquest.
You are a crypto creationist aren’t you?
Both of these people are acting like Darwin and Galton were the same person and I think it's intentional dishonesty.