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Firefox maker Mozilla deleted a promise to never sell its users' personal data and is trying to assure worried users that its approach to privacy hasn't fundamentally changed. Until recently, a Firefox FAQ promised that the browser maker never has and never will sell its users' personal data. An archived version from January 30 says:

Does Firefox sell your personal data?

Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That's a promise.

That promise is removed from the current version. There's also a notable change in a data privacy FAQ that used to say, "Mozilla doesn't sell data about you, and we don't buy data about you."

The data privacy FAQ now explains that Mozilla is no longer making blanket promises about not selling data because some legal jurisdictions define "sale" in a very broad way:

Mozilla doesn't sell data about you (in the way that most people think about "selling data"), and we don't buy data about you. Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of "sale of data" is extremely broad in some places, we've had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate, or is put through our privacy preserving technologies (like OHTTP).

Mozilla didn't say which legal jurisdictions have these broad definitions.

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[–] afk_strats@lemmy.world 64 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (9 children)

Oh for fuck's sake! List of Firefox alternatives:

Windows/Linux/MacOS:

Android:

iOS: ??

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 8 points 10 hours ago

Floorp?

No User Tracking

We don't collect personal information from users. We don't track users. We don't sell user data. We have no affiliation with any advertising companies.

[–] moe90@feddit.nl 1 points 6 hours ago

Brave is fine with for iOS with build in adblocker

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 20 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

There’s also Servo by the Linux Foundation and Ladybird.

These are actual different browsers and engines all together compared to FF spin-offs.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 16 points 15 hours ago

I'm still super waiting for Lady Bird. I cannot wait to give it a try, but it's gonna be like 2026 before they start rolling out builds for general use.

[–] afk_strats@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago

I'm excited for these to mature but they are still developing and would not recommend them for regular use

[–] ded@lemy.lol 5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Librewolf is mostly a autoconfig file for Firefox (which is a Firefox feature).

https://codeberg.org/librewolf/settings/raw/branch/master/librewolf.cfg

I doubt implementation of terms will be optional.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago

iOS: Safari with Wipr 2 is my current way to go. Every other browser is WebKit under the hood.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Why wouldn't they be optional? Every other change like this has been before.

[–] ded@lemy.lol 1 points 8 hours ago

Sorry I hope for the best. We're speaking of terms. Terms are legal facts.

[–] wizzim@infosec.pub 12 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I read somewhere that Librewolf is not recommended because they are a small team and slow to patch vulnerabilities / integrate security fixes from Firefox.

Is it true? (Sincere question)

[–] afk_strats@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago

Valid concern as I use their browser often. From their FAQ (link):

1000007404

[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I'm giving Waterfox a test drive and like it so far. No issues.

[–] afk_strats@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'm considering adding it to the alternatives list I posted. Can anybody else validate their privacy policy? Seemd ok but I'm a bit iffy regarding their use of telemetry. Maybe I'm overthinking it

[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

No telemetry, allegedly.

[–] rfr_Foglia@feddit.it 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] blackbarn@lemm.ee 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Earflap@reddthat.com 6 points 15 hours ago

Too new to recommend, IMO.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 0 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Isn't Librewolf tied to Firefox' TOS?

[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 12 points 15 hours ago (2 children)
[–] ded@lemy.lol 1 points 12 hours ago

Librewolf is mostly a autoconfig file for Firefox (which is a Firefox feature). https://codeberg.org/librewolf/settings/raw/branch/master/librewolf.cfg I doubt implementation of terms will be optional.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I'm checking right now, but it's kind of unclear. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like Librewolf picks and chooses what to use from Firefox, yeah?

I'm also looking into the TOR browser.

[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

All the forks pick and choose but features can be enabled or disabled, or removed entirely. Telemetry is always removed, whereas DRM or cookie settings can be turned off by default.

If you want some kind of Tor browser without all the Tor thing, Mullvad has its fork too from Tor (like the fixed display as a rectangle to prevent fingerprinting).

It’s free and open-source but it’s probably a bit annoying to use daily and it’s barebones: https://mullvad.net/en/browser

[–] kat@orbi.camp 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Mullvad needs to make an android version.

[–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 1 points 13 hours ago

absolutely, all these hardened firefox forks on android are just as easy to fingerprint as the original. if you try creepjs, they are unique and easy to follow between visits. mullvad browser is also identified even if you clean identity and restart, but it at least blends in with some others. interestingly, i found out that cromite on android can fool creepjs. every time you refresh, it's back to 1 visits. it doesn't blend in like mullvad, but it seems like a different unique visitor every time.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The thing about open-source software is that if you fork the software, then your fork can have its own rules.

You can even make the fork of the software fully closed source except for the open source software that you used to originally develop it.

You can sell open source software as if it were proprietary.

You can basically do anything you want with it as long as you respect the original source from the code that you have taken.

Once the software is no longer in Mozilla's hands, then Mozilla's portion of the license no longer applies.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

That's what I thought, but there are many people in this very thread saying the opposite. From what I read on Librewolf's site, it seems to back up what you are saying.

[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

What @bizarroland@fedia.io is saying is not correct, because it depends on the license. For example, GPL software requires that ALL the source code that uses some GPL code to be released as GPL too. That’s why some people avoid GPL at all costs.

Other licenses, such as LGPL allow you to link your proprietary code with open source parts and only release the code of the open source part (along with any modifications you did to it).

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So what license does librewolf have?

[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Ok, so I did some checking and Firefox uses a custom license from Mozilla, which says the open source code can be freely mixed with proprietary code, as long as you disclose and also distribute the open source files you’ re using.

This is much more permissive than some other open source licenses. LGPG, for example, only allows this mixing if you use the open source code as a library that needs to be separate from the main proprietary binary.

That said, Librewolf apparently licenses all its source code in the same Mozilla license, which means no issues here.

[–] ded@lemy.lol 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Librewolf has no code. Librewolf is mostly a autoconfig file for Firefox (which is a Firefox feature). https://codeberg.org/librewolf/settings/raw/branch/master/librewolf.cfg I doubt implementation of terms will be optional.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago)

I swear I just had deja vu twice.

Is this your job? Didn't even bother changing the text, just copy/paste. Weird.

[–] ded@lemy.lol 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Librewolf is mostly a autoconfig file for Firefox (which is a Firefox feature). https://codeberg.org/librewolf/settings/raw/branch/master/librewolf.cfg I doubt implementation of terms will be optional.

It's possible to disable the Tor from Tor browser.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 37 minutes ago

Oh look, that's four.

[–] ded@lemy.lol 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Librewolf is tied to however they implement the terms. Librewolf is mostly a autoconfig file for Firefox (which is a Firefox feature). https://codeberg.org/librewolf/settings/raw/branch/master/librewolf.cfg I doubt implementation of terms will be optional.