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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 54 points 1 day ago (5 children)

At this point a total collapse of the USA's 2-party-system seems the best of all realistic alternatives.

Because the Dems getting their shit together in less than 4 years certainly isn't realistic.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The two party system can't collapse without taking the whole government down with it. It's baked into the constitution. Not in words as such, but in mathematical reality. I just want to be real about "realistic outcomes." Fix the parties or rewrite the whole fucking shebang.

And that second option—there is a lot unsaid there about how that comes about, but it's not by everyone embracing universal brotherhood and sisterhood and mutually agreeing on a better way.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The two party system can collapse. It has several times before. What needs to happen is for the Democratic Party to go the way of the Whigs.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

With the Whigs, there was a total realignment of politics based on the single issue of slavery, which led to immediate civil war. That doesn't seem like it really contradicts my point.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The US government is like a beat up old car we try to keep on the road with Lucasoil and duct tape. We’ve needed to fix it a long time ago but we didn’t.

The car will eventually stop working and leave us stranded if we do nothing, but we also can’t afford to leave it at the mechanic for a week because we need to get to work in the morning.

The government will fall, people will be hurt by it, and we will have to make something new - note I didn’t say better - and it will happen at the least opportune time.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Couldn't agree more. Especially that last part. New doesn't mean better. We can hope.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the new government is anything like new cars then every basic function will be behind a laggy touch screen and the government will track our every movement and sell it to insurance companies.

[–] Oyml77@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

How much of the new government will end up being subscription-based?

EDIT: spelling correction

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I understand people being frustrated. Who isn't. But these people lash out like children are just as bad as the people who caused this. It's like our collective getaway car is a rusty Ford Pinto and they're like "fuck that thing, burn it down!"

My man, that was our getaway car from fascism. Was that your intention?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

Your getaway car is on blocks.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ok, but now imagine the car was built by slavers to violent protect their disgusting privilege. Is it still worth "fixing"?

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Ostensibly we’d have replaced those parts by now as part of basic maintenance

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let me know when you find a country that hasn't done any horrible shit ever

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 17 hours ago

Let me know if you ever stop accepting that as justification for continuing to do horrible shit.

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, the two party system right now can probably only collapse into a one party system.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

Always has been.

[–] knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

The path to that would have been through Dems taking power and doing something with it though.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

It's all a racket. The parties work together