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Here’s one from 2023. I think this is the one you were talking about.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/business/elon-musk-reveals-his-actual-truth/index.html
I feel like when I said, “Elon has been a public Nazi for a few years now,” what you heard was, “the general public has known Elon is a Nazi for a few years now.”
Yes, maga idiots have excused his behavior for years, but that doesn’t mean people haven’t been calling him out as a Nazi for those same years because of his obviously Nazi like behavior. The Hitler salute was just the straw that broke the camel's back, where the general public started to recognize that he is a Nazi. The swastikar didn’t go on sale until after much of this behavior had already been very public, so if you have a Model 3, you may have an excuse, but if you have a Cyberdump, you have no excuse.
Also, it’s just a fucking awful truck. If you’re going to buy a truck, buy a truck, not a vaguely truck shaped vehicle that can’t do what trucks do.
Yes, that piece refers to the same event.
Were you trying to imply moral culpability for people "buying their own coffin from a Nazi" or not? Moral culpability only works if they reasonably would have known, so that "buying it" is a choice eligible for moral consideration.
If you're merely observing the situation without moral consideration to point out gee, that's ironic, then I'm forced to agree: that is ironic. However, you seem to be claiming more than that with the word excuse.
Thus, for your claim to work they had to be aware, and since we know nothing about them, we can only reasonably expect they knew if the general public knew. So, I don't think I misunderstood you.
Excused? No, they do the same and have for years. Feeding into Nazi conspiracy theories & agreeing with Nazis is typical MAGA behavior.
Remember Pizza Gate & the adrenochrome conspiracy? Both have roots in old antisemitic conspiracies of Jews consuming the blood of sacrificed children, though I doubt MAGA conspiracists know that.
Musk had a firm reason to know he was agreeing with a Nazi: the tweet he agreed with was answering a challenge for "cowards" posting "Hitler was right" to explain themselves. Even so, agreeing with Nazi conspiracies doesn't amount to essentials that define Nazi: white supremacy, advocating for genocide & an ethnostate, etc. It doesn't surprise me that people often see it as more MAGA idiocy similar to Trump saying both sides include "some very fine people".
I agree it was public. I also submit that the general public probably saw it as MAGA instead of Nazi if they paid attention at all.
When people shop for a car, the company's CEO may not be their top consideration if any. In the case of a Cyberflop, they may be looking at the environment, self-driving features, or fall for marketing gimmicks & believe they're buying the greatest innovation.
Totally. For that alone, they deserve all the blame for getting that deathtrap.
Let's just forget this minor disagreement. That car's a piece of shit. Fuck that car.
I don’t think that Cybertruck owners deserve death, but if the Cybertruck kills them, they do share in the blame for not researching how much of a death trap it is. These were college kids, so they probably didn’t even know they should have researched that. The driver was also driving recklessly and under the influence. A safer car may have saved them from their own behavior, but in this case, I think they’re to blame.
That being said, I do think that, now at least, you don’t have an excuse if you buy a Cybertruck. You deserve to be mocked and ridiculed, and you deserve whatever your Cybertruck does to you. If you buy a clown car, you’re a clown.
So agreed, we can forget it. I was being too harsh in this case. And yeah, fuck that car.
I just wanted to say that your debate etiquette is exceptional, first of all. Secondly, I agree on many points. Musk has been a right wing nut job for years. He publicly became a Nazi last year/earlier this year depending on local awareness levels