this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2023
151 points (97.5% liked)

News

23266 readers
4469 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

"only 14% of grizzly bear attacks are fatal" seems like this just downplays the danger. If a product on the shelves had "only 14%" chance of causing cancer people would be livid.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Considering bears are 8ft long 900lbs killing machines an 86% survival rate is actually pretty fucking good.

Also if you're dumb enough to downplay the danger involving grizzly bears for any reason you're not going to live long anyway

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty sure that is another way of saying 86% of people can successfully play dead.

Remember folks: If it's black, fight back. If it's brown, lie down. If it's white, goodnight.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Except some black bears are brown, so fight back if it's a brown black bear and lie lie down if it's a brown not-black bear (grizzly)

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, but how likely is a grizzly attack?

According to the US Natl Park Service it is 1 in 2.1 million. Dying from a bee sting is more likely.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/150916-bears-attacks-animals-science-north-america-grizzlies

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well dying from a bee sting if you’re allergic is pretty common if you don’t have an epi pen. So yes, common.

There is a massive difference and approach to bears it on a special park Vs wild.

Over in your city folk safari zoo, in which you think you’re ‘in the wild’, you are not.

In the wild, Grizzlies will rip you. https://youtu.be/K-Tfq6dARGk?si=EQLh0ahqdzOVkRWJ

They are very fuckin dangerous. And very fuckin fast. They eat other grizzly bears without mercy too. Especially if there’s not enough salmon around.

In Canada kills by bears in the green belt is a known risk and they have procedures to try to lessen interference with the wild life for this reason. That’s the only reason why the deaths are down. It’s not like rural people are flaunting themselves at wildlife and have them as pets. The deaths start going up when city folk start wandering into the wild thinking every bear is a big ol puppy dog.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If you have any statistics to provide I would love to see them.

Meanwhile, yes Grizzlies can be extremely dangerous on the rare occasion they attack. How dangerous they are doesn't change the odds of being attacked. It just means you're more likely fucked if one does attack you. It's ok to be scared shitless of them. I am. But don't let the fear taint your reasoning.

Here are some more statistics. Hopefully folks can set aside their fear for a moment and analyze the risk with a level head. Keep in mind the number of visitors to wild areas is quite large.

  • There were 183 bear attacks in North America between 2000–2015.
  • There are 40 bear attacks around the world every year.
  • The odds of being attacked by a bear are one in 2.1 million.
  • On average, 24 deaths were caused by grizzly bears between 2000–2015.
  • There were six fatal bear attacks in Alaska from 2008–2018.
  • There were 22 human-bear incidents in the US Yosemite National Park in 2019.

https://petpedia.co/bear-attack-statistics/

Oh and by the way if you think national parks are just zoos, please by all means go tell that up close to the free roaming wild moose and bears in Yellowstone or Elk in Rocky Mountain National Park, especially during the rut, and see how that works out for ya.

Being in the backcountry where you don't have as much wildlife management might be riskier. Although I would love to see statistics because many factors could play in. Bears being habituated to human presence and especially food is a major issue that increases bear encounters. So it's possible that backcountry encounters are rarer than in heavily visited parks.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Statistics? You’re not my job. I don’t work for you. I don’t do homework. And I owe you nothing. And I especially don’t owe you free work you entitled asshat.

And I won’t shut up from at least warning people so deal with it. And you’re so bent on hugging a grizzly, go for it mate, I can’t stop you. You’re not my job. you are absolutely full of shit.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

Wow ok.... Backs slowly away

[–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

“Sharks don’t actually try to kill humans, they just get curious and take exploratory bites”

Obviously that’s not a direct quote, but I people say things like it in defense of sharks frequently.

[–] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I would need to see the specifics of that statistic but understand that most people who are in a situation to be attacked by a bear have done the research on what to do.

For a grizzly? Play dead while protecting your vitals to the best of your ability. So you either play dead or get knocked unconscious and effectively ARE dead. And then you live.

It is mostly untrained people who have no business being in the back country who die. Or people who are unfortunate enough to get between mama and her cubs.

So its one of those things where there are a LOT of other factors and not many actual attacks to begin with.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

There's actually an interesting statistic where bear attacks from black bears are more likely to happen from the males, whereas attacks from grizzlies are more likely to happen from the females.

Black bear cubs have a strategy to run up the nearest tree when threatened and the mama bear guards the base of the tree rather than going on the offensive, so you are able to back away and avoid an attack a lot easier than a female grizzly, since grizzly cubs don't instinctually climb trees when threatened but inside rely on the mother to defend them by going on the offensive.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well also if your spine is cracked but your alive, its not fatal.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If my spine is cracked I'm probably not making it out of the back country to get the medical care I need in order to not die.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I'd think in general, "just a broken back" would not be an immediate death sentence (even if it's results in you being paralyzed and unable to effectively save yourself). However I also don't see it being likely that's all you'd suffer from a grizzly attack. If they've broken your back, you probably have one or two other injuries.