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China condemned JD Vance on Tuesday for calling Chinese people “peasants” in a Fox News interview, where he said, “To make it a little more crystal clear, we borrow money from Chinese peasants to buy the things those Chinese peasants manufacture.”

The Chinese Foreign Ministry labeled the remarks “ignorant and disrespectful.”

The backlash exploded on Chinese social media, garnering 140 million Weibo views.

Critics mocked Vance’s own “hillbilly” background and pointed to China’s advanced tech and infrastructure, highlighting rising tensions amid Trump’s trade war.

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[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

finding out the actual statistics can be very difficult

Nah, you're just a racist US-propagandized individual who refuses to believe statistics from "le evil country" because they don't suit your ideology. Trials in China are as public as in the rest of the world, and incarceration rates are easy to calculate, and they match the government data because China doesn't need to lie about it becaude it's not a police state in the way USians believe it to be. I can attest to that as someone who visited China freely and without visa, and who has had the pleasure of having several Chinese coworkers.

Second: What is your point?

My point is that China's incarceration rate is 5 times lower that of the USA, which makes it kinda obvious that there's no "tyrant police state jailing everyone who disagrees".

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've been looking for Chinese prison-crime-etc. data. Do you have a link?

It being in Mandarin isn't a problem.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The United Nations Crime Trends Survey data seems to match pretty well with the data from World Prison Brief regarding prison population. Hopefully nobody will accuse the UN or a London-based organization of skewing the data in favour of China.

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's the UN data for Hong Kong, but it was easy enough to find the page for the PRC, excluding Hong Kong and Macao. The figures still line up well enough (noting, as the other page does that it exclude statistics about people interred in the "vocational training schools"), although the UN doesn't have figures post 2016.

UN page doesn't seem to have execution rates either, which would also impact incarceration rates.

Not to say that the US isn't atrocious and also terrible on all those metrics, and plumbing new lows with each successive presidency. I was just kinda hoping for some more official PRC reported figures.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The UN data appears on my browser for all countries including mainland China, doesn't it appear to you?

Execution in the PRC necessitates approval from the Supreme Court, so it's insignificant compared to total incarceration rate (unless we assume that the Supreme Court can oversee millions of cases per year). Unfortunately I don't speak Chinese so I can't really find official figures published in English.

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 10 months ago

Mainland PRC has no entries after 2016 for the UN site.

The London Prison studies one has an estimate for 2018, and says based off of UN data.

On 百度 I get mixed figures, from 3900 and another states At least 700 a year, but I also think it's talking more globally.

Doesn't seem to be public government statistics, like the UK or EU gov data sites, which would be nice to check things out and show to the rabid anti-China folks.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're either an apologist for totalitarian dictatorships who falls for propaganda as easily as MAGA cultists or you're just straight-up trolling. The racism accusation was really the cherry on top.

I have never even visited the US, nor do I have any intention to.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 5 points 10 months ago

You don't need to live in the US to fall to US State Department propaganda, I'm west-European myself and I'm surrounded by people with the same brainworms as you do. But if you insist I'll give you two sources that give similar numbers (i.e. 5 times smaller imprisonment rate than in the USA): source 1(London-based institute) source 2(UN data). Are those also totalitarian sources for this faulty information that we can't believe because the evil politicians from the evil country are plotting to destroy the west?