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California to require big firms to reveal carbon emissions in first law of its kind
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 10 Oct 2023
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I work at a big company in California and I do the calculations for a big chunk of emissions. Ima tell you now, the request that california is giving is unreasonable and will most likely force companies to adopt life cycle assessments(LCA) information from dubious sources(most likely based on spend). These companies will fight tooth and nail to show that they are green and will accept any sources to purport that. They will then shuffle information when audits happen to obfuscate and conceal the true numbers because they have to maintain that identity (think BMW and volkswagen scandal). This will make it more challenging down the line.
I think if a government body wants these numbers, they should just do their own audit NOW and do their own zero waste LCA analyses. There are a bunch of different tools right now as it is not regulated so they give different results. The data used in these software might use the GHG protocol info or it might be completely different. They would need to hire contractors to get a specific baseline for all parties before the companies start figuring out how to game the system by mucking up their numbers.
Agreed. This is like when the police investigate themselves. Somehow they always find that the police did nothing wrong. It's foolish to think this will be any different.
Im not saying every company can do it do to size, but Framework posted their LCA last month and thry are a california based company. Companies only 3 years old.
Yeah i just took a quick glance at their numbers that I believe they got from Sphera. I would automatically assume this publication is bullshit given that their scope 3 emissions are 2.5x less than scope 2. What this is suggesting is that the electricity they consume produces more GHGs than all the emissions from their logistics and materials used. Getting raw materials shipped inbound, shipping out in combinations on freight, the materials then go to landfill and decompose.... they are saying that their electricity use is 2x more pollutant than that.
Then again, maybe they dont buy and sell physical products that much or their products are extremely energy intensive to make. I am not familiar with them.
They are a company whose trying to change the laptop industry by offering a repairable laptop that can be upgraded. By not soldering in components and not locking or changing the shape of components, their goal is to make laptops easy to repair and upgrade. All cpu/mobo upgrades have the same pcb dimensions, screens are easy to replace due to the ease of opening the bezels. They outright say theirselves that they are not ecologically sustainable (meaning other lapop producing companies are far worse)
If they are selling pieces or components individually, then i would assume they would have an even higher transportation impact. This makes me even more skeptical of their numbers.
As i was saying earlier, if companies like these are allowed to fluff numbers without regulation then later on it will be more difficult to prove the contrary.
Tou can buy parts individually, but its not often that someone buys parts individually unless something breaks. The poont is it minimizes skus (two case designs (13", 15" built around repairability) designs dont go to waste if one thing breaks. They also open their own marketplace for users to resell their used parts as parts can freely be used in other builds.
They dont have much to hide, the point is that they claim theirselves who is pro repair, minimal sku and choose your own ports is not sustainable, then any laptop manufacturer who designs laptops that are going to be desposed if a single part breaks is going to have it worse, over several different Skus with different case/mobo/layout and part selections. As they would heavily fail in the 2nd R (reuse) category.