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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 233 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

without showing a warrant

I'm so tired of the legalist caveat, implying a Trump judge rubber stamping warrants for these gestapo shits would have made kidnapping and torturing a woman and her infant child acceptable.

We also need to stop using the word "arrest" when it comes to ICE. As you said, these are kidnappings.

[–] mrmacduggan@lemmy.ml 128 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

But it does highlight that any random brute could put on a mask and do this with no authorization whatsoever. It's a fundamental human-rights and rule-of-law breakdown to fail to present a warrant. I agree that a warrant doesn't ethically make the arrests anything short of monstrous, though. That kind of legalist can suck eggs.

[–] mdd@lemm.ee 38 points 20 hours ago

But it does highlight that any random brute could put on a mask and do this with no authorization whatsoever

I believe this a part of the plan.

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 16 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The war for ethics has been lost decades ago. Legality is fickle and often unjust but it's all that people have at this point.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It isn't. The modern law is a fig leaf over naked plutocracy and apartheid.

It's what we have in the same way a knife in your back is something you have

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

And yet people would rather hold on to a terrible status quo than risk it. Especially in times of desperation, and as long as they're aware things could be worse (for them personally).

It's the big catch-22 of modern civics and political engagement. Terrible conditions make many people look towards the systems and rulers that bring about those terrible conditions.