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I don't get it, it's like we watched two different Star Trek franchises. And while producing some real bullcrap, new Star Wars has some of the best Star Wars ever produced with Rogue One and Andor (also, Rebels is surprisingly good).
Also I do think virtue signalling and identity political do have some value to some capacity.
But calling DS9 'too morally sterile' is just baffling me. Have you even watched episodes like 'For the uniform'?
Well, there are some cases you can assume a thing and some cases you can't. Sometimes you can trust the other side to send the message of the right size and form in one piece over TCP, sometimes you can't. Say, if you are a Gopher server, you can. Sometimes you can wait longer, sometimes you can't. Sometimes you can't condition stopping some process by waiting for a response, sometimes you can't.
It's the same in life. You may see the good parts of something and not see the bad parts. Or the other way around. Life also doesn't have fairness, you can easily encounter a top level boss after just creating a character, in game terms. And no justice, no error processing, nothing of the sort.
So - answering your question, I don't remember a single DS9 episode right now, just my impression of their structure and level of complexity.
Rogue One and Andor are fine, but I wouldn't call them some of the best Star Wars made, more like the only Star Wars made since Disney acquisition. They are set in the same universe, more or less, that I can accept. And they touch upon the same things good parts of the old universe did. And they make references to things I didn't expect to be referenced under Disney. I can agree they are good. Probably just things shown I imagined differently, but then my imagination was trying to make them feel safe, similar to the second paragraph here, while Andor shows it all as a looming failure, which for may intents and purposes that phase of the rebellion indeed was.
I have no idea what you are talking about in your first two paragraphs.
Maybe you can have another go. Especially the Dominion War episodes are really good, but also there are other really good episodes.
They are though. They are definitely better than the prequels and arguably at least as good as the OT, at least from a story telling and movie making perspective.
Andor doesn't show failure though, it shows how fascist systems work and how fascism affects the 'little people'.
This sentence looks as if implying it were my fault. And of course it is, but that'd be any misunderstanding, with some other common traits of misunderstandings, like that it's symmetrically the other side's fault too.
Meant that you never know the upsides and the downsides of something for real. Just in some limited model, with your own imperfect projection of the universe.
Feel more like another attempt at TNG, but yes, maybe.
You are right, of course, in at least one of the myriad of possible interpretations.
In mine half the good things about them are a bit masqueraded references to how the old SW EU felt, and not original decisions. And in the rest there are flaws as bad as those of prequels. No way they are better than the OT. They may be better than prequels, if we are not taking a huge part of prequels' atmosphere and removing it from flaws, calling it author's style (I do ; I don't, however, ignore parts that seem left as they were because Lucas lost the interest in deepening them or finishing them, I actually suspect he's a bit on the spectrum too).
I also don't consider prequels obviously bad, which seems to be such a common opinion that its bearers often can't elaborate on it, other than vague terms like "bad dialogue" and "bad pacing" and "doesn't make sense". I would, of course, welcome good supporting points on that.
That's what a huge part of Star Wars is about, except "fascism" is a word a bit tasteless for the more generic thing.
By "looming failure" I mean Luthen&co's approach to planning, risk and lack of backups, and that they also act like agents of something far more powerful than the Rebellion in that stage. In the EU at that point they'd be all surveilled by ISB 3 steps into the chain from anybody who touched any of the suspicious senators. The private moments and conversations would be intentionally arranged and rare. Instead they act like Soviet agents in USA or vice versa, as if knowing that at worst they'll be exchanged for someone. Almost like ambassadors.
OK, I guess we might still see that Luthen was just an upper society cynical, but naive type, and in the end learn that the Emperor watched them all every moment and laughed.
That's just some blank, insignificant statement, either worthless for any discussion or an attempt invalidate discussions.
That, however, seems to be your tactic anyway. You seem wanting to make everything about how everything is smarter of perspective and interpretation, and that is not the kind of discussion I find fruitful, so I stop discussing with you now. Have a nice day.