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[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's kinda natural to me having used Perl a lot.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's not quite the argument you might think it is

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

heheh. I wasn't really making an argument though

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The joke was that Perl is a clusterfuck

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It certainly has its issues. I find that the things people have trouble with are the things I tend to like about it. Of course, reading it later is a problem sometimes. :)

Write only language!

I still reach for it sometimes.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The point of code is to be read by other humans, not just computers.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sure. Nothing stopping you writing readable well commented perl. Just avoid some of the more terse statements. It can be a challenge though.

Shrug. If you don't like Perl, don't use it.

[–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A lots of things stop you from writing readable Perl code.

You have to forget half of the syntax first. Set perlcritic to max. Force whitespaces.

Download ton of packages for every little thing and hope they are cool with each other.

And still deal with edge cases that make you pluck your eyes out.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

FVO readable for future me, it's not so bad. I don't have to worry about other people so much. :)

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

But I want to mock it good-naturedly, too.

[–] l3mming@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

You clearly haven't used Perl a lot. Perl's ternary looks like:

$even = $num % 2 ? "nay" : "yay";

Incidentally, it is also the same as PHP's, but mainly because PHP stole it.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You do get the if in the middle of stuff though in the form print(debug message) if $debug

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wait until you learn that postfix conditionals are syntactic sugar and the compiler* turns that line into the equivalent of $debug and print(debug message), putting the conditional in first place, a lot like the ternary operator.

* Perl compiles to bytecode before running.

The ternary operator itself isn't implemented in terms of and (and or) but it could be.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago

Luckily I don't need to read or write bytecode and all that matters to me is the syntax

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

perl -e 'print "fart\n" if 1;'