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In order to have a stable society, must we prioritize identity first, then loyalty, and only then morality focused on protecting and preserving our in-group? (lemm.ee)

submitted 2 days ago by Allah@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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Many Western moral debates on issues like immigration, race, gender, and free speech are actually conflicts over identity rather than true moral dilemmas. Morality isn’t universal but shaped by the group a person belongs to.

First comes identity, which defines who someone is and what group they’re part of.

Then comes loyalty, which emotionally binds them to that group.

Morality follows as the set of internal rules that maintain group cohesion.

Universalist morality is a pseudomorality rooted in Christian thought for weakening group identity and loyalty.

Stable society must be built on a foundation of identity first, then loyalty, and only afterward, morality.

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[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Morality only, everything else fails and leads to people finding it easy to step over others, but the group should be humanity (at least until we meet aliens, if we ever do, and then it would be extended to personhood if the situation calls for it). Also, really? Christian thought? Christianity is a Roman religion which co-opted the Abrahamic faith and the image of Jesus, the rabbi. At least get the terms right, cause Christianity was always a con and only superficially pushed people to "fear God and keep His commandments"... the recognition of objective morality is much older!

The reason why people in Gaza get together to have dinner in the middle of the rubble with their neighbours mid Israeli bomb run while people in... other places will turn to crime and immorality if their lives become the slightest bit uncomfortable. These people from... other places always seem so shocked that their leaders will invariably rob at the least, with rape and murder being very likely and expected, but y'all don't believe things can be truly wrong or right, so what are you complaining about here? Is this not the result of your post modern, literally Satanic "nothing is true, nothing is forbidden", 'ideology'?

TLDR: without a shared ideology based around axiomatic moral values (a denial of moral relativism) you will remain uncivilised, just with better toys as time goes by.