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[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (56 children)

There's a book on the subject written by Srdja Popovic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueprint_for_Revolution

Summary: protests that start (and try to remain) non-violent have a greater chance to succeed, because they can attract more people to their cause.

Critique: with some regimes, it's not possible to non-violently protest. For non-violent protest to work, the environment must respect a minimum amount of human rights.

Case samples:

  • US during the civil rights movement era: yes
  • USSR under Gorbachev: yes
  • Serbia under Milosevic: yes, with difficulty on every step (Popovic was there doing it)
  • Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes
  • China under Xi: practically no (not for long)
  • USSR under Kruschev/Brezhnev/Andropov/Chernenko: not really
  • Russia under Putin: no, don't even hold a blank sheet of paper
  • Iran under Khamenei: only if you're doing a bread riot
  • Saudi Arabia, USSR under Stalin, NK under the Kim dynasty: no, and execution would be a possible outcome

...etc. In some places, you can't organize. Then your only option is to fight. As long as you can publicly organize, definitely do so - it's vastly preferable. :)

[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes

When Palestinians protest peacefully they get shot at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests

When foreigners peacefully protest in solidarity they get shot or run over.

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/30/1241231447/rachel-corrie-gaza-palestinians-aid-israel-hamas-war

[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Thanks for correcting. You're right, I should have written something else than "probably yes" about Israel under Netanyahu. :(

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

Your point is so important that I don't think it can be stressed enough.

Nonviolent protests are more popular in public opinion. Public opinion gets you more people on your side. More people on your side is more power, and when the regime starts cracking down on peaceful protests, it will be easier to get more people to fight than it would be of we advocate for violence from the start.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

US during the civil rights movement era: yes

I gotta ask, how the hell was the US in the 1960s a safe place to nonviolently protest? Police violence aimed at colored protesters during that era was notorious. Plus the church bombings, the lynchings, the assassinations...

[–] indepndnt@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

I don't think anyone said that nonviolent protest was safe...

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Srdja Popovic

LOL
https://inthesetimes.com/article/wikileaks-docs-expose-famed-serbian-activists-ties-to-shadow-cia

Telling you have the name perestroika, by the hated traitor Gorbachev putting them in misery while corrupt oligarchs from the west leeched on Russia.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

LOL complete BS

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

US during the civil rights movement era: yes

USSR under Gorbachev: yes

Serbia under Milosevic: yes, with difficulty on every step (Popovic was there doing it)

Imaginary history.

Israel under Netanyahu: probably yes

They murdered hundreds of palestinians during peaceful protests. GTFO with this BS.

USSR under Kruschev/Brezhnev/Andropov/Chernenko: not really

Russia under Putin: no, don’t even hold a blank sheet of paper

Iran under Khamenei: only if you’re doing a bread riot

Saudi Arabia, USSR under Stalin, NK under the Kim dynasty: no, and execution would be a possible outcome

How many times can you list russia/ussr? Give me a break with this lib imperialism.

[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

How many times can you list russia/ussr? Give me a break with this lib imperialism.

I may list it as many times as I need. I was born there and grew up there, and have a whole lot of information about how life was.

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