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[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The Christian god tells his followers to push the religion onto as many as possible and punish those who don't believe.

Source: history and current events.

If god wanted his followers to believe quietly, he'd have written his book differently. I have to assume, since he's perfect and all knowing, that the outcome was the goal. Otherwise he's a HUGE screw up.

Yes yes, free will. But god knows about free will, and still chose to write the book the way he did. So he intended the outcome that exists.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Or there is no god and the cunts running this religious sharade benefit from adding as many sheep's under them as possible and are using religion as an excuse

[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

^1^ Take care not to practice your righteousness in the sight of people, to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven.

^2^ So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, so that they will be praised by people. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. ^3^ But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, ^4^ so that your charitable giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

^5^ And when you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they will be seen by people. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. ^6^ But as for you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door, and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you

—Matthew 6:1–6

[–] Ifera@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Very easy to cherry pick when you ignore the book of Joshua and Deuteronomy. Which include genocide, enslavement, ethnic cleansing and other atrocities, all committed by direct order of that deity.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Sure, that's what the book says. But that's not the actions the book produces. And an all knowing God would know the outcome of the words he chose.

[–] justastranger@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are some rather stark differences between the old and new testament depictions of God. The only two ways to reconcile the differences imo are that either Jesus led a pretty standard major-religion-themed-psychedelic-"love"-cult or that the Gnostics were on to something about this reality being a prison created by a divine abomination and that Jesus was trying to save us from the OT "God".

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That’s an old school Gnostic interpretation, and that in part lead to the development of Christian antisemitism. (See Reuther, Faith and Fratricide)

You’re missing out on the hundreds of years of Jewish scholars navigating and interacting with the text. It’s easy to understand the shift as discrete, because Jesus is a clear breaking point, but a lot of that develops from Greek philosophy interacting with Judaism. He was most assuredly influenced by Nazarite thinkers too.

Keep in mind too that Jesus said he brought not peace, but a sword. Jewish understandings of the messiah at the time were seeking a military type leader to lead them against the Romans - that threat is probably what actually got the man crucified. Read Luke 22:36.

Seeing these kinds of r/atheism versus Christian conversations is always a shit show. Everyone is wrong.