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Why a professor of fascism left the US: ‘The lesson of 1933 is – you get out’ (www.theguardian.com)
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She finds the whole idea absurd. To Prof Marci Shore, the notion that the Guardian, or anyone else, should want to interview her about the future of the US is ridiculous. She’s an academic specialising in the history and culture of eastern Europe and describes herself as a “Slavicist”, yet here she is, suddenly besieged by international journalists keen to ask about the country in which she insists she has no expertise: her own. “It’s kind of baffling,” she says.

In fact, the explanation is simple enough. Last month, Shore, together with her husband and fellow scholar of European history, Timothy Snyder, and the academic Jason Stanley, made news around the world when they announced that they were moving from Yale University in the US to the University of Toronto in Canada. It was not the move itself so much as their motive that garnered attention. As the headline of a short video op-ed the trio made for the New York Times put it, “We Study Fascism, and We’re Leaving the US”.

Starkly, Shore invoked the ultimate warning from history. “The lesson of 1933 is: you get out sooner rather than later.” She seemed to be saying that what had happened then, in Germany, could happen now, in Donald Trump’s America – and that anyone tempted to accuse her of hyperbole or alarmism was making a mistake. “My colleagues and friends, they were walking around and saying, ‘We have checks and balances. So let’s inhale, checks and balances, exhale, checks and balances.’ I thought, my God, we’re like people on the Titanic saying, ‘Our ship can’t sink. We’ve got the best ship. We’ve got the strongest ship. We’ve got the biggest ship.’ And what you know as a historian is that there is no such thing as a ship that can’t sink.”

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[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

I'd do it, I've no qualms walking, it would take a couple weeks, but I don't fucking care about that push come to shove, it's the only plan I have, go North, doing exactly what you mention,

I don't because Im very certain Canada would not let me live there. No money, no post education, no real skills outside of .. manufacturing and taking care of my disabled kid. I don't have a pasport. Did the folks who left Syria and walked to Denmark, as it was stated, did they have passports? Were they all on the skilled worker list? I'm pretty certain they were classed as refugees, Americas are not classed as refugees. We'd be turned away.

I can't even move town and I'd like to. I can't move to a new state and I would if I could. How tf would I show up at the Canadian border today with just a backpack like, heyyyy Get real.

[–] Bilaketari@reddthat.com 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Most of the people entering European countries and seeking refugee status don't come from conflict zones, just poor areas. Like Pakistanis, Iraqis, Ghanans, Malians, Indians, Nigerians, etc. They just show up, cross illegally avoiding border guards, and either live as illegal immigrants until caught or immediately request refugee status upon reaching their country of choice, such as Germany or Sweden (and upon denial most just stay anyways). This is an option millions have taken. Same with all the Central and South Americans crossing the US border (and Chinese, Caribbeans, etc. that cross that border despite not having geographic proximity).

But this option isn't the only option. Loads of legal immigrants just sell all they have and gamble on some different country. Some request a student visa someplace (say Canada or Australia) to get their foot in the door, then take advantage of being in the country to seek a job. Some put all their money into creating a small business to seek a visa via that route (many of the poor Chinese you see in European countries try that approach). Fact of the matter is, anyone with a paid roof over their head in the US is among the wealthiest people of the world in terms of income, so hearing them complain is sorta rich. Say you live with your spouse and each make 15k USD per annum but have no property, saving, or investments. First off, you'd be around the halfway mark for the US anyways, but on the world stage you'd also be the top 15%. Do you have an iPhone, a car, a television and enough food security to be overweight? Congratulations, the large, large majority of the world does not have those. Basically, people living in relative (worldwide) security/comfort complaining about the hardships of leaving their safety if they wanted to change their lives is something most of the rest of the world would scoff at (or more). Despite not living in relative privilege for US standards, the majority of the US does in fact live comfortable lives from an international standpoint.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

Well, you're doing a great job at making it sound simple, and anyone who thinks they can't move, feel stupid.