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[–] SJM_93@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I couldn't care less personally, foreign managers of national teams have been a thing since the beginning and why handicap yourself when others won't do the same?

[–] Call_me_Tetsuo@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

and why handicap yourself when others won't do the same?

Most do thought don't they? The only nations that often hire foreign managers are the African nations no? Is there any major national team that had a foreign manager recently?

[–] SJM_93@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Last two I remember off the top of my head that weren't for England are Martinez at Belgium and Phil Scolari at Portugal.

[–] Call_me_Tetsuo@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Oh ja! I don't know why I forgot Martinez with Belgium/Portugal. Scolari was ages ago lol, may as well mention Capello at England too. Carlo may be the next one with Brazil.

[–] CercleBruggeKSV@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

And now Tedesco for Belgium and Martinez for Portugal.

[–] PureDarkness93@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The world cup has never been won by a manager managing a country different to his own nationality

[–] Mihnea24_03@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Greece didn't win a World Cup but I'd still say it was a good deal to bring in a foreign manager

[–] gkkiller@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Correlation not causation, the World Cup has only been won by countries with a rich history of football that means they're capable of producing great managerial talent too.

That's obviously not to say England is incapable of producing world class managers, but for various reasons English managers' career progression is more limited in England.

[–] mzp3256@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

That is true, but I don't think that means it's impossible for a foreign manager to win a World Cup. I think that's just a sign that the elite nations don't need to hire foreign managers because they have plenty of domestic managers to choose from.

Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Italy, France, and Spain have never been managed by a foreign manager at a World Cup. We don't know if they're capable of winning a World Cup with a foreign manager because they've never tried.

England couldn't get past the WC Quarterfinals with Eriksson and Capello, but they still did better than the English managers before and after them. Netherlands made it to the 1978 WC Final with Austrian Ernst Happel as manager. And Belgium 2018 and Portugal 2006 made it to the WC Semi-Finals with foreign managers.

[–] Fffiction@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

However when England tried it they actually managed to handicap themselves with the couldn't give a fuck at the time Fabio Capello. Remember the Capello Index?

[–] NotClayMerritt@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

but that speaks more to decision makers in the FA being a bunch of incompetents than it is an indictment on the foreign manager.

[–] Jarvis_Strife@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ah. Down against Germany in a World Cup and deciding to being on Heskey

[–] FridaysMan@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because Heskey was class, yeah.

[–] Antisym@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] FridaysMan@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Class is eternal.