Everyone in England should pool together a fiver each and offer Pep £50m/year to manage. (ill chip in 10 so he leaves the league).
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Non Englishman here.
Why does the England manager need to be English? Wouldn't they be best to find the best candidate regardless of where they're from?
Sarina Wiegman, the famously-English manager of England. Yup.
Looks like I upset a few with my question, sorry :(
Football fans way overrate the prestigiousness of the England job
Any international job really. Most managers only take them when they can't get a decent club job or they are heading towards retirement.
It is incredibly well paid though. Well less so now with Southgate maybe, although he’s paid more than he would get at a club job. But back in the days of Sven and Capello it was one of the highest paid roles around. The FA could still offer a huge salary to attract a big name to the job if they wanted to.
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What about his assistant?
England would be lucky to have Mad Dog
I think it's easy to say no until the question is asked.
It has to be the pinnacle for an English manager to manage the National Team.
I don't know of it was mentioned further down but you've got to bear in mind managing a national team gives you less time to work with the squad and you can only choose from the selection you have available. It's such a stark difference from club footy where you're with the squad every day and you can make transfers to fill gaps or bolster positions.
Even if England has an amazing squad right now, Howe might not think it's worth swapping out from a Newcastle team that he's designed from the ground up and has managed to bring into the UCL.
Also, while jokes are constantly made about Southgate and the mates XI, he still managed to get England to 2 WC semis and 1 Euro final.
Factor in how shitty the journos and boomers are in this country as we all know and it's almost expected that if another manager was to take up the managerial position and then fail in their first comp, this incredibly critical nation of ours would be calling for a resignation almost instantly.
Eddie's made the right choice in my opinion. Managing at the international level isn't always the dream job.
England will end up hiring Graham Potter
Might stick a few quid on this, not sure why the FA insist England must have an English manager but hey-ho.
For no particular reason, I kinda prefer the manager of England to be English, though.
I couldn't care less personally, foreign managers of national teams have been a thing since the beginning and why handicap yourself when others won't do the same?
and why handicap yourself when others won't do the same?
Most do thought don't they? The only nations that often hire foreign managers are the African nations no? Is there any major national team that had a foreign manager recently?
Last two I remember off the top of my head that weren't for England are Martinez at Belgium and Phil Scolari at Portugal.
And now Tedesco for Belgium and Martinez for Portugal.
Oh ja! I don't know why I forgot Martinez with Belgium/Portugal. Scolari was ages ago lol, may as well mention Capello at England too. Carlo may be the next one with Brazil.
However when England tried it they actually managed to handicap themselves with the couldn't give a fuck at the time Fabio Capello. Remember the Capello Index?
but that speaks more to decision makers in the FA being a bunch of incompetents than it is an indictment on the foreign manager.
Ah. Down against Germany in a World Cup and deciding to being on Heskey
Because Heskey was class, yeah.
In 2010?
Class is eternal.
The world cup has never been won by a manager managing a country different to his own nationality
That is true, but I don't think that means it's impossible for a foreign manager to win a World Cup. I think that's just a sign that the elite nations don't need to hire foreign managers because they have plenty of domestic managers to choose from.
Germany, Argentina, Brazil, Italy, France, and Spain have never been managed by a foreign manager at a World Cup. We don't know if they're capable of winning a World Cup with a foreign manager because they've never tried.
England couldn't get past the WC Quarterfinals with Eriksson and Capello, but they still did better than the English managers before and after them. Netherlands made it to the 1978 WC Final with Austrian Ernst Happel as manager. And Belgium 2018 and Portugal 2006 made it to the WC Semi-Finals with foreign managers.
Greece didn't win a World Cup but I'd still say it was a good deal to bring in a foreign manager
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No foreign manager has ever won the Euros or World Cup
Maybe that's because top teams rarely appoint foreign managers? Foreign managers can't win the Euros or the World Cup with France or Germany or whatever if they don't even get appointed to begin with
I think it's the fault of Capello really, who was so foreign, quite cold, terse, with not a great command of the language, and hugely underperformed with squad cohesion (ie, the soft side of the job) being a failure of the team. Not that I'm putting all the blame on Capello... the media and the players all have to take some share of that. Also, his style was of his time.
I think if we had a warm and cuddly foreign manager with great English, like Klopp was when he first started at Liverpool (he's a bit more jaded now), then the FA would consider it. Even if you're a Southgate doubter, you can't deny that he's made such huge progress on squad cohesion.
That’s precisely the reason I’m not keen on the idea of Mourinho taking over. The atmosphere in the squad is incredibly harmonious and I just don’t see him carrying that on. We can’t afford to have a fractious dressing room.
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I froget but was Capello good with England?
Nope
He was until the 2010 tournament where he decided to ditch the tactics that brought us to the tournament and play a brexit 4-4-2 with Emile motherfucking Heskey up top. I'm still fuming about that 13 years later.
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Believe no team with a foreign manager has ever won the World Cup
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Wouldn't be the worst choice, a bit like Southgate with tactics
Potter failed to implement his tactics and philosophy at Chelsea despite working with the players every single day. What makes people think he would have the time to implement his tactics when he only gets to see his players for a week or 2 every couple of months? Teams that do well at national team level tend to go with basic football. Spain could play their intricate football because the majority of their team played together at club level too.
People seem to be forgetting how well he had Brighton playing prior to joining Chelsea, which is a tough assignment for any manager.
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I think lee carsley is the obvious successor.
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Yes, because to be England manager you need to be soulless. Or so it seems.
2 years time : "Gareth and Eddie sitting in Saudi, earning countless money"
We've tried the internationally respected managers, in Erikson and Capello. They were shit compared to Southgate.
Gareth is probably the most successful modern era manager we've had. And he's fucking shit and gotta go. We'll never win anything with him in charge.
Pep will be the manager in time for the 2026 World Cup, there's no way England lets him slip away.
Do I sense Graham Potter redemption arc?
They need Mourinho
He’s waiting for the Everton job.
I don’t believe him
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