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[–] Arcanus@lemmy.world 119 points 2 years ago (23 children)

This just sounds like a convenient way to get rid of homeless people

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago

"Addicted to drugs? Sounds like you want to die. Here, we'll help."

WCGW?

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 37 points 2 years ago (4 children)

2024: "Canada has approved medically assisted death for people who are late on their rent"
2025: "Canada has approved medically assisted death for unhoused persons"
2026: "Canada has approved medically assisted death for ~~social parasites~~ the disabled"
2027: "Canada has approved medically assisted death for adults and children with autism"
2028: "Canada has approved medically assisted death for those suffering from the effects of institutionalized racism"
2029: "Canada has approved medically assisted death for any First Nations, black, non-land-owning, or poor people who aren't already dead yet, and it's optional through 2030"

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah I support the right to a comfortable death, but there’s a hard line here of only for people who will die in the near future with or without intervention of a disease they’re suffering from a sufficiently advanced case of. And it needs strict controls including oversight by disabled people.

I’ve watched a person slowly and painfully waste away to a disease. But I’ve also seen people say my life isn’t worth living.

Choices still matter in drug addiction and it shouldn’t receive the final mercy we may choose to offer to the terminally ill who are unable to even end their own life. If they want to die then they should have to do it themselves without help.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Now you’re making yourself the arbiter of whose suffering is deserving of relief. Who are you to be the judge?

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The difference is that drug addiction can be cured. Maybe we should try rehab first. If they're not clean or OD'ed after x number of years ok maybe then. But hell let's try first.

[–] Kepabar@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I still don't think that answers the question:

Why should anyone other than yourself be the arbiter of if your life should continue?

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because people under the influence of drugs don't always make choices that they won't regret when they're sober. I have personally witnessed people that wanted to die while fucked up on legally obtained prescription drugs used as directed because the side effects are just that bad. They don't feel that way once they're off that shit.

[–] Kepabar@startrek.website 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No one has suggested you would just execute a person on sight while they are under the influence.

In these situations there are interviews, evaluations and waiting periods to ensure the person is 'of sound mind' before proceeding.

So with that cleared up, I'll repeat my question.

Why should you get to be the arbiter of if someone else is allowed to die?

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

If they're truely of sound mind then I don't see a problem with it if they want to take the long night night.

[–] Nahdahar@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

That's the thing though. How could individuals struggling with addiction maintain clear and rational thinking?

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They are already offering it to people with disabilities

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

I should have guessed. And this thread is riddled with apologists slavering over it.

[–] triclops6@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Maybe assisted becomes recommended, and recommended becomes prescribed?

[–] Zannsolo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'd prefer if it was approved for everybody. Don't like living, and still feel that way after a mandatory counseling course you should be allowed to choose to end your life in a humane and clean way.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

‘Mandatory counselling course’ sounds like not trying very hard just to rush to the next step. Something hitler would say if he was looking to save on gas.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That is too dangerous. If it sounds like I'm asking people who want to die to endure more suffering in order to ensure eugenics becomes relegated to the trash heap of history, it's because I am. I would rather let cancer patients wither away under painkillers than allow the state to use the forces of institutional bigotry to cleanse its undesirables, let alone overt extermination. In the United States, we would look back 20 years from now asking questions about why black people make up 75% of the medical suicides in Mississippi—or gypsies in the UK, or First Nations in Canada, or gays anywhere, or Jews everywhere—and I absolutely believe that no benefit will ever outweigh that, not ever, not even to heat death.

[–] patchw3rk@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's as simple as forbidding medical experts from recommending the procedure. Patients can request it on their own accord.

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People are forbinned from trading stocks with insider knowledge, too. Tell me exactly what constitutes a recommendation, and I can find you a way to completely flout the rule while obeying the letter of it. I'll always be able to, you can't win that arms race.

[–] patchw3rk@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What exactly is the motivation to kill people by assisted suicide from the individual doctor? People can do illegal things, you're right. What is the point of any law with your mentality?

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

That's a sophistical argument, I think I've made it abundantly clear that the point is potential for abuse, especially passed down from on high such as in the Welles Fargo scandal.

[–] cricket97@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

we should start offering this in us cities

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

For the police? Agreed.

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