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Sales of previously occupied U.S. homes in September fell for the fourth month in a row, grinding to their slowest pace in more than a decade as prospective homebuyers grapple with surging mortgage rates and a near historic-low level of properties on the market.

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[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's great for some sellers, but not most. Everyone with a mortgage is locked in to sub 3%. That's lower than inflation. Why would anyone give up that loan? You're better off keeping the house and renting it out than giving up that loan.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Canada you have to refinance every 5 years (rarely you may be able to do 10)

Coming up pretty quick where there probably won't be any sub 5% plans anywhere.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's insane. So if folks buy something they can afford, then the market goes to shit, inflation takes off, and the government uses interest rates to reign it in; it then victimizes all those folks who bought homes they could absolutely afford, but now can't because the rates of their loans changed underneath them!?

That's barbaric.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, we have something called a stress test where even if the rates are 3% you can only get a mortgage if they feel you can still be okay with the payments if the rates go up, but we passed that point awhile ago already. So even if people passed the stress test they may not be able to afford what the rates are now.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

That's insane. We have fixed rates that are exactly that, fixed. And mine, and all of the US that's owned for more than 2 years, is fixed at around 3%. That's a big part of why these particular metrics are what they are; the number of houses being sold. Price aside, it makes no sense to get rid of that loan.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Same in UK. Going from <2% to >5‰ has been a kick in the teeth.

However you buy knowing this is the case and you should financially plan for an eventuality of double or triple rates, which I did.

It might sound barbaric, but when people were getting a dropped rate on a new deal every 2 years for over a decade, I didn't hear any complaints. The scale rises and falls on both sides!

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We have those too. You can get a fixed rate or flexible rate. The flexible is always a little lower than a fixed due to the nature of it. Everyone in the US sensed rates were near the bottom though, and refinanced to fixed 3% two years ago.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Ah interesting. You only ever hear about whole term fixed rates here, with regards to US.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I got a Habitat for Humanity mortgage. 0% interest. Not leaving until I'm in a casket.