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That doesn't seem weirdly detailed to me? Kid bumped their head and they wrote down what happened.
Look at the timestamps: 1:20 1:30 1:40 2:30 ridiculous.
Could just go: oh yeah he bumped his head today when parents come pick him up instead.
It's an app. Do you actually think they're manually entering the time? The app is probably just rounding to the nearest 10 for display purposes. There's also a legal obligation to fill out an incident report.
You're caring for someone else's child and the law says if you felt the need to do something (ice pack) then the parents deserve documentation with timeline and response. Do you have a different criteria that's good for when a non-medical caregiver should need to tell a parent something happened to their kid?
I was referring to the amount of them. 3 in half an hour 😕 For no good reason.
Luckily the law is different where I live. I'd rather have my child taken care of by a human, instead of a flowchart :)
When the caretaker feels like something important happened
Oh, I assumed you thought people were spending a lot of time entering timestamps. Do you think this is a particularly onerous process for them, or that the parents need to like, acknowledge each log? They just push a button to select the kid and tap another to select the event. Maybe type a description if it's an incident report. It's significantly easier for them than logging it any other way, and it ensures parents get the information on food, diapers and whatnot.
I am confused how you see this as care by flowchart. Daycare staff aren't medical professionals. They aren't qualified to make objective decisions about what's an "important" event to notify parents of in a consistent manner. What country are you in where the parental notification laws are "I dunno, if you feel like it I guess"?
Belgium. There's no laws whatsoever that mandate notifications. They'll just tell you if something important happens
Well that seems quite odd. Most developed countries have standards for childcare settings, including defining minimums for activity and incident logging.
Finding regulations was difficult, but it seems that Belgium just has lower quality childcare than even the US, according to the UN. https://www.unicef.org/innocenti/reports/where-do-rich-countries-stand-childcare
Color me surprised. I kind of assumed if we had standards that anyone else would have similar or better standards.
The only thing such laws do is make the care taker more of a replaceable robot, imo. In either case, you want someone that cares, and doesn't see a kid as a long to do list within an app.
No amount of laws can force someone to care. The reverse is often true, in my opinion. "Teach for the test" style.
Yeah, standards for care isn't "teaching for the test". You don't overfocus on "don't change diapers in the food prep area" or "tell the parents if you use the first aid kit" and somehow end up neglecting care.
I take my kids to a legal daycare. That means I know people who work there and are nearby have been certified in pediatric CPR and first aid within the past year. That they do fire drills. That they have a policy for when sick kids need to go home and when they can come back.
It's not about a law forcing people to care, it's about establishing a baseline. If a caregiver I haven't met swaps in for one I know I don't have to learn their standards on the spot.
It's odd to be opposed to standards.
The baseline more than often becomes the goal, that's my issue. Oh so many people just go through the motions devoid of thinking and intent :) Now they also can go: I followed the flowchart what more do you want
Good news is it sounds like we both got exactly what we want!
I think the difference might be that you're thinking of standards that say "if you do A and B and C then you're a good ___". Happens with prescriptive education standards that are tied tightly with budget.
I'm thinking of standards like "failure to A or B or C, or doing X or Y or Z makes you an unacceptable ___". It's what you see in restaurants and hospital hygiene standards. Any restaurant "cleaning to the test" and only going down the food safety list and correcting any issue is both the type that would just be filthy without those standards, and also would end up serving safe food. Same for doctors and hand washing. We would rather all doctors be deeply committed to hygiene, but we have real world data that mandating hygiene minimums and doing things to enforce them has measurable increases in patient well-being. Same for building safety standards and such.
In a system with the standard, those people are providing better care than they would be without them.
I've seen goodhart's law in effect too often. In practice the latter, "failure to A or B or C, .." always turns into the first, "just do A, B and C". Devoid of thinking why A, B and C need to happen. The same thinking that would lead people to also do E and F, and realize that sometimes A is not necessary.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one ;)
Sounds like a really good way to have half of these things forgotten throughout the day and never told to the parents 🤷♂️ logging this on the tablet takes literally 5 seconds, instead of having to spend 5 minutes with each parent at pickup
Yeah, I'd also rather talk with the person taking care of my child. So you can tell how they're doing, as this will reflect on your kid. I prefer those 5 minutes.
Sure, but those 5 minutes add up in a whole daycare.
You still ignored the first half.
Regardless, if they're logging, you can talk to them about the important parts without wasting several hours of important staff time every day between all of the parents. This isn't instead of talking to them, it's in addition.
This is also just super useful for all of the staff. Did Timmy just have a snack? No he doesn't need another. Did each staff member change Timmy's diaper today? We wouldn't have known it happened 5 times without the log, because that's not something you talk about every time.
If it's important they'll remember. Talking to people, seeing how they're doing, isn't a waste of time in my opinion. Au contraire, it's rather important!
Absolutely fucking braindead take.
Do you distrust the people who take care of your kid this much?
Distrust? It helps to know if they napped or not, because that changes plans. Doctors ask about diaper change schedules. Bumps or scrapes are good to know about because not all effects are immediate.
It's not about trust. People forget shit, and comm lines get crossed when you're working with 4 other staff and 30 kids. Why rely on someone's memory when the alternative is faster, more consistent, and more informative?
People in general are faulty machines with shitty brains and worse memories. Add on that they're working in an extremely chaotic environment, usually overworked and understaffed. It would be literally fucking insane to expect them to remember everything that happened to every kid, and that's not even factoring in that each of the staff has completely different touchpoints throughout the day.
Are you this unaware of how people actually function?
I wouldn't go so far as to call it braindead, because that just needlessly antagonistic, but we have a lot of evidence that people forget truly important things all the time, particularly in a setting where a group of people are working together to care for others.
Nurses and doctors will forget they administered medication and give double doses. People will forget that they needed to toss the spinach from the line because it's coming up to its safe lifetime and get people sick.
It's why we have checklists and logs where we write stuff down.
If my local coffeeshop has a checklist and log where they document cleaning the bathroom and doing a deep clean on the espresso maker, why on earth would it be unreasonable for the significantly more important job of "caring for babies" to also do so?